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Men Made For More Podcast Episode 58: Creating Life Long Improvements with Noolee Kim of i.Athlete Physio

guestepisode Sep 17, 2020

Guys, on the show we have our guest interview today with Noolee Kim of i.Athlete Physio. We dive into the topic of how there are no quick fixes - and change doesn’t happen overnight.  Discussing when it comes to pain - where you think the problem is, it usually isn’t and why you need to find the root cause.  We talk about when it comes to habits, think simple, practical, and achievable, to appreciate where you came from and where you still have left to go and so much more!

If you want to get a hold of Noolee, you can find him on Instagram @i.athletephysio or his website at or Facebook If you enjoyed this show, make sure to subscribe and please help us by leaving a 5 star review.  Also, don’t hesitate to reach out on social media @iostrengthperformance, or better yet - tag me in a post with your favorite part of the show! 

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MMFM Ep58 : Creating Life Long Improvements with Noolee Kim of i.Athlete Physio 

[00:00:00] Dave: Welcome to the Men Made For More podcast. A show designed by men for men looking to get strong, feel confident, and live a high performing life. As men, we face many challenges as we try and strive for a better life. We want to live a meaningful and confident life. We don't know where to start. You've lost your physical and mental edge.

[00:00:18] It's keeping you from living out your full potential. You're tired of talking about doing big things and you're ready to start living it, but the men made for more podcasts. The goal is to teach you how to strengthen your body, your mind. And your purpose and your way to reaching your full potential.

[00:00:33] It's time to start living as a man. You know, you can be to help lift those up that matter the most in your life. Every week, we'll have a featured guest who will share valuable information and experience to give you actionable strategies. You can apply to live as a man you were made to go drawn or guests, knowledge and experience.

[00:00:49] More importantly, we will discuss how this applies to common challenges and struggles with being a man in today's world. Our goal is to not only build strong men physically. But to help coach and develop strong [00:01:00] friends, sons, brothers, fathers, business owners, and professionals in every area of your life.

[00:01:07] I'm your host, Dr. Dave Paczkowski   proud husband. business owner, physical therapist and strength coach with a passion for helping other men strengthen their body, their mind, and their purpose, wherever you're at on your journey. I'm excited to have you here with us today. Now let's dive in today's episode of the Men Made For More podcast

[00:01:27] Hey guys, welcome to today's guest episode of the men made for more podcasts, have a special guest with me, Noolee Kim of i.atheletephysio, and just really excited for you guys to listen in today's show. A newly is a doctor of physical therapy and a board certified orthopedic specialist, uh, from the American board of physical therapy.

[00:01:50] He got his doctorate physical therapy from Mount st. Mary's college in 2012 and orthopedic residency and a graduate there. Care of Kaiser healthcare partners. In [00:02:00] 2012, I certified with Tyler's performance Institute as a medical professional. He's an active release technique provider. He does myofascial, fascial, decompression, cupping, blood flow restriction provider, and just an awesome clinician and just awesome overall individual.

[00:02:15] When it comes to getting some longterm improvements with the clients that he gets to work with in his local practice to Los Angeles area. And we're going to be talking about how there are no quick fixes and why change doesn't happen overnight. We're talking about when it comes to pain where you think the problem is it usually isn't.

[00:02:33] And you need to find the root cause of what's really going on to create long lasting change. We talk about gratitude, appreciating where you come from and where you still have left to go. And a lot about habit formation. And when it comes to habits, think simple, practical and achievable guys got a great one coming your way today because that if you guys would be here listening in, don't want to hold it up any longer.

[00:02:54] So let's get started.


[00:02:56]All right, Noolee, welcome to the Men Made For More [00:03:00] podcast. So stocked we were able to coordinate this and really happy to have you on here, man.

[00:03:04] Noolee: [00:03:04] Thanks for having me, Dave, et cetera for this.

[00:03:06] Dave: [00:03:06] Yeah, that'll be good. So let's, uh, for those that don't, that are listening, that don't know you as well. Why don't you kick things off with your story? Both personally and professionally and where you're at, what you're up to.

[00:03:16] Noolee: [00:03:16] Yeah. My name is newly Kim. Um, I am, I reside in the South Bay area area of, uh, the greater LA area, which is, um, So more about the beach, like Redondo beach, Manhattan beach area. Um, we live in that area. Uh, we practice in that area by we, I mean my wife of 10 years. And then, um, my two boys Elliot, who's five and Dylan who's three, uh, soon to be 21.

[00:03:42] Uh, both of them, it seems like, personally, I went to the, um, a greater LA LA Southern California, California kid. I born and raised in this area. Um, lived kind of everywhere, moved everywhere in the LA area. Um, I am a. A diehard, [00:04:00] Lakers and Dodgers fan and Rams fan. And we try to instill that in our home.

[00:04:04] Um, both, uh, my wife and I, and then also into our kids, uh, brainwashing them to the university of California, Irvine for undergrad and yeah. And then went to Mount st. Mary's college now university for a physical therapy school. Um, and then, uh, after graduating, I went into a one year long orthopedic residency program with a medical group called healthcare partners.

[00:04:28] Now they're called Optum and Kaiser Permanente and, uh, the yearlong residency program pretty much consisted of a mentorship with some of the top expert clinicians. Um, literally in our profession. Um, throughout the year, was a part of some research, served in some, um, doing some serve, uh, medical care to some pro bono clinics, and really hone my skills.

[00:04:56] Okay. As a clinician, as a provider during that year. [00:05:00] And then, um, finish that, uh, took a board certification in orthopedics afterwards, which is just a long test to confirm that you learned something. and then, for the majority of my career, so far practicing eight years, I worked for a managed care setting or work in a managed care setting, uh, worked with healthcare partners for a little bit.

[00:05:24] And then with Kaiser Permanente. And for those of you that don't know, managed care is a, what you would find as a HMO insurance. Um, and so I worked for an HMO group for a long time. And, uh, during that time, I have the fortunes of seeing, um, a lot of, a lot of patients. Um, I saw about four to five new patients every day.

[00:05:48] Um, For the life of probably seven to eight years. Um, and yeah, just to give you a comparison, Dave, you know, so, um, you know, you'll, you know, someone will see [00:06:00] three to four new evals potentially a week. Uh, I was seeing about four to five new evals a day, which was challenging. But a really grew me in terms of my clinical practice and care.

[00:06:11] And so in addition to that, I worked alongside a lot of great providers with a lot of different letters behind their names. And, um, yeah, it was really helpful in getting me to where I am today.

[00:06:24] Dave: [00:06:24] And what, uh, talk about the transition then. So what, what was the transition point from that setting? I've seen so many people to the setting you're in now.

[00:06:33] Noolee: [00:06:33] Yeah. Um, there was a plethora of reasons. I think number one is, um, I wanted to spend more time with my patients. And so in a managed care setting, typically you'll go in and get a 40 foot, 30 minute 45 minute evaluation, which is the first visit. And then, um, it's a bit impacted. Uh, what ends up happening is you get your followup.

[00:06:56] Your follow up, visit with your provider ends up getting pushed out [00:07:00] two weeks, three weeks, maybe even a month. And so, uh, for me, um, that over time, what I won, um, we had, I had some challenges walking with patients through their entire course of care, meaning when, when you walk in with pain to when you exit without pain and into performance.

[00:07:20] So I never saw that end because people would drop off because of that. Um, and then in addition to that, the time that I spent with patients per visit was pretty limited and impacted as well. And so, um, that initial, initially drove me. Um, I've always aspired to own my own business. One day I set my own culture, set my own, cadence, Be the ruler of the land per se.

[00:07:46] Um, and yeah, it just kinda, um, everything kinda came to a head and decided, man, this is probably our time to move on.

[00:07:56] Dave: [00:07:56] Yeah, I think it's, I think it's so cool. You made the jump and just looking at, you know, talking [00:08:00] to you about your treatment style and seeing your site and knowing the people that you've been able to help. Is there such this, this focus on, on. Longterm results and lasting things for life. And I think so many people try and chase these quick fixes, these magic bullets, these healthy hacks people are for this.

[00:08:17] Like I want it done and I want it done now. And unfortunately that's not the way it works with our body. That's not the way it works with a lot of things in our life, but I love your philosophy so much because the clients you work with is really centered on, okay, we're going, we're going to get you out of pain.

[00:08:30] We can do that, but we also need to get you back into performance. We needed to get you back into. Doing whatever that is that they, uh, they want to do with their, with their life. And I just, I just want to hear a little and make our focus shift into a little more on your perspective of, in your experience.

[00:08:45] Why do these quick fixes network and what is the key to reaching these longterm sustainable results that, that you get with? So, so many of your clients

[00:08:54] Noolee: [00:08:54] Yeah, let me be the first to confess that I look for quick versus quick fixes as well in my life.

[00:08:58] Dave: [00:08:58] the same.

[00:09:00] [00:08:59] Noolee: [00:08:59] Yeah, let me just be the first one to confess there. Um, and I think you hit it on the head, Dave, um, you know, anything in life, I think, um, anything in life that you're trying to change most things in life, at least, you know, if you're trying to change things, um, there's no quick fix.

[00:09:15] Um, I think we can all confess to that. Right? Um, personal growth diet. Habits. Um, these are things that don't change overnight, weight loss, um, doesn't change overnight. These are things that have, have to happen. Um, have to happen over a long period. You have to have it repeatable and tiger woods. Um, Oh my favorite athlete at this moment, um, I just a big golf fan.

[00:09:43] Uh, he said that she says, he, he said this a couple of times in the last couple of years in his interviews, he said consistency over a long stretch or a period of time is. What really stands out. And I firmly believe in that, you know, I often tell people I'm gonna [00:10:00] give, um, if you give me enough time and if you're a consistent enough with me, um, we're going to figure out your pain point where we're not only going to figure out your paper, we're gonna to resolve your pain, resolve your pain now, and the resolve for good.

[00:10:15] And oftentimes when people come in with pain, um, You know, more often than not in the physical therapy world. Um, the pain more often than not is, uh, but a mere symptom. And what I mean by that is the pain might present somewhere in your body. Um, for example, the shoulder or the neck or lower back or the knee.

[00:10:37] Um, but more often than not the issue that's driving, that pain is oftentimes coming from elsewhere. And so, um, I give the analogy all the time, um, you know, within where did this pain come from? You know, why am I having this shoulder pain that onset. So randomly or this lower back pain. I really didn't do that.

[00:10:57] When do you think I just got out of bed and [00:11:00] I started to walk and have this pain where I bent down and picked up something. And then later that day I began having this lower back pain and, um, I liken it to the analogy of, if you plant a seed about a foot into the ground of soil, you may not see the plant grow or start to grow, but eventually if you perpetuate your issue or the underlying issue, the pain's brought about to, uh, it's, it's going to sprout, is it just because you don't see the issue doesn't necessarily mean that, you know, the plants not growing, assuming that you're watering it and, and all those things.

[00:11:33] And so, um, Yeah, I think, I think going back to the question, um, the quick fixes don't work because, um, in order to see trends change, that's been underlying for a long period of time. You really need to address the root cause, which takes time, consistency over a long period of time.

[00:11:53] Dave: [00:11:53] Yeah. So we'll say I love that, of that, uh, analogy too, with the, with the plant and, uh, you and I both see it. You mentioned shoulder pain, you [00:12:00] mentioned low back pain. These are things that people. I just had somebody I work with today that thinks it's like, well, I just did this one thing. And that was what messed up my back.

[00:12:08] And it's like, no, there's was, there was thousands of repetitions of, of this building up over time that led to that. And if we stay on the low back example, what are, what are some of the things you tend to see in terms of let's talk so low back pain, as you said, being an, I agree with being a symptom, that's just what they're feeling.

[00:12:24] What are some common, more root causes that you might find from, from an assessment in low back pain example?

[00:12:30] Noolee: [00:12:30] Yeah. Yeah, I think, um, so the, the low back is the great abyss. Um, and it's, it's a common, common area of pain. That one is common. Um, but then two, it can be this kind of mysterious kind of area of your body, right? Like where, um, 10 different providers can be telling you 10 different things in regards to your lower back.

[00:12:52] So like, Oh, it can be, this is your muscle. It's your joint. It's your ligament. It's your bones. It's your discs, right. It's sciatica. [00:13:00] And not to get into the weeds of it all. But, um, oftentimes going back to what I was talking about, the underlying issue, the pain represent actually even the lower back, but the issue that solves that pain typically is elsewhere.

[00:13:18] So for example, if you're having lower back pain in the middle of your spine or out to the side of your spine in the muscular area, it can be the issue. Although the pain might be presenting in your back, the issue might be coming from the hips. Or coming from the abdominals, which is in the front part of your stomach, the stomach region, or even your upper back, or even down to the big toe, which, um, I've had a couple of times where just by simply addressing the flexibility and the mobility in the big toe and teaching how to move correctly, that back pain actually resolved.

[00:13:56] And so, um, for those of you that are [00:14:00] listening, I think. You know, if you're going to a provider and they're just merely addressing your lower back, looking elsewhere and assessing elsewhere, um, make sure to ask, I would say, Hey, can you take a look at some other parts of my body that may be contributing to my lower back pain?

[00:14:16] Those things might be an issue driving lower back pain.

[00:14:21] Dave: [00:14:21] Yeah. And I think it's important for people to be aware of that at least. You don't have to know what the problem is, but you have to be able to be proactive in seeking out. If someone's just looking at your lower back, you got to say like, like you said, Hey, can you check these other areas? Can we see if anything else might be going on, find someone who, you know, who is willing to do that knowledgeable enough to do that.

[00:14:41] Cause it's, it's hard on ourselves to see. To see what the root causes, because we're so fixated on you're like my back hurts. All I want is my back pain to get better, but it's like, okay, we want to take care of that. But we also want to get to the underlying cause of this. And I think that brings, it brings me into another question I want to hear from you is how do you [00:15:00] balance the short term fixes the short term wins?

[00:15:02] So I think those are important with. More of the longterm approach. So how do you have that? Okay. Yes, let's, let's give you some short term successes. Let's give you some small wins, but let's also keep our eyes on the bigger picture.

[00:15:15]Noolee: [00:15:15] Yeah. So, um, and that's a great question. what I'm finding in practice, um, is that every time the patient comes in my goal in their time with me for that day, Is to try to have the pain that they're walking in with feel incrementally better for me during that time. Um, I want them to feel it. I want them to experience it.

[00:15:45] I want them to put in the effort and actually see short term results right away. And, um, typically they do, uh, the patients that come and, and especially with lower back pain, when [00:16:00] you have someone move correctly, They said they were walking with pain and like, man, my back hurts. If you, what I'm finding is that if you have them move correctly and you have them activate the right muscles and cue them correctly and they move properly at the end of their time to like, man, I feel better. I feel better. And interestingly enough, What ends up happening is that over the course of time, as they see, as you continue to encourage us and say, look, you, your body can feel better. If you move correctly and you activate properly and, and do all these things. Yeah. You're going to see these incremental changes.

[00:16:40] These short wins. Um, now as you continue to do it, man, this is just gonna, this is going to grow exponentially. You're going to feel so much better. And then you tie that in with goals and function in life. I had to add a client in here the other day or earlier this morning. And I was like, man, we did two things.

[00:17:00] [00:16:59] We literally did two exercises for an hour's time. And she got up after being on the floor and sweating her butt off. And then she got up and she was like, man, things feel like they opened up my lower back, feels like it opened up. And I, and from there, I was just like, she, she understood it. And for me, I'm like, man, these short term, this short term gain that you're going to feel now.

[00:17:23] And for a little while longer, as you continue to take ownership of what we just went through and continue to build out this program for you. It's going to translate into you going back to being able to pick up your grandkids again, get on the floor with them again, roll with them again, throw them up in the air again.

[00:17:44] And I, I genuinely try to tie one. I going back to the question, I try to alleviate their pain right away, and then always re solidify by saying, man, continue. You can do it. Persevere, endure, keep [00:18:00] going. Cause you're going to feel better forever.

[00:18:02] Dave: [00:18:02] so well said, I love that too. And it's  when we're on the right path. It's and I've had, I've had past episodes on the whole, no pain, no gain thing, or having to like grit through pain is not, not how it should be either. You can, you can get short term wins if you're on the right path and you're addressing the right things it's you should feel better.

[00:18:18] And that, that should be. Uh, pain-related that should be for those just into fitness, trying to work out. It's like you shouldn't leave every workout, feeling miserable. If you're working out in the right way. From a sustainability standpoint, you should leave feeling like more energy and not just crashed, crashed on the ground.

[00:18:33] But I think the, you know, continuing to remind people of why they're doing it, like you said, I love that you tie it back to lifting their kids or, you know, being able to throw their grade kids around, play, play with them. I think that. That really helps people from a, from a mindset standpoint. I think it's so easy to lose sight of though in the, and I don't, I'm not sure if you see this, but do you see in the, the day to day, the week to week people get this initial win and then it's like, they start to lose sight of how far they come.

[00:18:58] Do you run into that with some of your clients too?

[00:19:00] [00:19:00] Noolee: [00:19:00] I do I do. And you know, it what's afforded me. What I really enjoy about being in business for myself, um, is that I have their personal information and I can text them with my cell phone and I can shoot him a video. I can shoot them a call and, uh, I could check in on him, them keep them accountable and, um, There's something to that, man.

[00:19:24] There's, there's something to, you know, in the middle of the week. And this goes for me too. And you know, you have a big win and then all of a sudden, you know, things tail off for, you know, five, six days, maybe even a week or even a couple of days, and you slumped back right back into, you know, prior to that, when, and what you, you know, like, uh, I can't get out of this hole.

[00:19:45] You know, my pain is still there. Um, but then getting a call or getting, having someone allowing for the client or even myself, uh, feeling like someone's in my corner, someone's encouraging me, motivating me and keeping me accountable, man. That's just, [00:20:00] it just continues to push that forward. And so, um, yeah, I'm finding that that's, that's a, that's something that I want to enjoy doing.

[00:20:08] Um, and then also too, that it keeps people kind of motivated and on track with, with care.

[00:20:16] Dave: [00:20:16] And I think we're made for encouragement, how we're made to encourage one another. I think that's such a big piece and I, I love what you said too, about being able to access them and give that encouragement. Cause I think people lose sight of the big picture and they also lose sight of. How far they've come to.

[00:20:33] I have someone he was in this morning and, had terrible MRI. I didn't, I told him I didn't even want to see X. It didn't matter for what we were doing, but he's like, this is the word they tell me. I can't ever like round my back again. I can't ever do this. And he comes in just with all these, like the no seat.

[00:20:50] Like people just have told him all the things he can't do. And he comes in day one and he's like, I want to do is like, be able to. No, sit down, sit down on the toilet and not have pain. [00:21:00] It was like, sit down in a chair and not have pain, like very basic level human stuff. And then within one visit later, he's like crushing it, moving around and we're six visits and now he's back to working out and he's like, man, but I can't, I can't do a flip when I'm surfing body surfing now.

[00:21:13] And it's like, dude, do you remember, do you remember day one when you said you just want to be able to sit down without pain and it's so easy for us to forget that. And I, I think that's. Why do you think that is that we lose sight of those wins so quickly?

[00:21:31] Noolee: [00:21:31] You know, we've gone to any society. This is a whole different discussion, right? It's. We've gone to a society where it's, um, long longterm along game perspective is not in the picture anymore. You know, you have two day shipping with Amazon and then you have fast food chains and you have, um, access to communication via a touch of your phone.

[00:21:56] Right. And so. You know, the longterm perspective [00:22:00] of men I'm I'm in this for the long haul has completely gone. And so if, if something doesn't happen right away, if the next thing doesn't come on and the next thing isn't addressed right away, um, yeah, you, I think you, yeah, you never, you never appreciate where you've come from.

[00:22:18] And so, um, and this goes back to, I mean, even, and this is for me personally, um, you know, I, I tend to forget. And so if I don't pause to remember, um, even, you know, let alone three months ago, if I don't possibly remember where I was a week ago, Two weeks ago, two days ago. And my heart, even for me, I feel like there's, there's no measure of gratitude and joy and even satisfaction.

[00:22:49] It's always grumbling. It's always, what's the next thing. It's always how come, how come? Not this? How come? Not that. And so, um, yeah, I think, I think, I think it's a societal issue, [00:23:00] to be honest with you more than it is anything else. So

[00:23:04] Dave: [00:23:04] Yeah, no, that's a something I fall into even like from the morning to the evening, it can happen. It can happen so quick. And there's a, one of the pastors at our church. He always talks about, he called it like the, when then. The, when then principle of it's like, well, when I get that, then I'll be happy. And I found that all the time.

[00:23:20] It's like, well, when I, you know, when we get to this level in business, when we can help this many people, when my level of fitness is this, like once we can get in a position where we can have a little more time, freedom not be working all the time, it's like, then, then we'll be happy. Then we'll be able to work on these things that it's like, these are things we gotta be gotta be addressing all the time.

[00:23:39] Noolee: [00:23:39] A hundred percent. Can I agree with you more, man? I agree with you more.

[00:23:43] Dave: [00:23:43] that gratitude is a hard, a hard skill to it. It takes some intentionality to, uh, to practice that regularly. It's not something I don't think that that comes through natural to us.

[00:23:53] Noolee: [00:23:53] Yeah, no, absolutely.

[00:23:55] Dave: [00:23:55] Yeah. And I, uh, I wanna hear a little more about your, your perspective on [00:24:00] it's right in your name. I athlete physio.

[00:24:02] It's a, I'm sure many people don't classify themselves as athletes when they come in to see you necessarily think they just average, you know, the active adult looking at, like you said, the grandparent, the dad or mom, trying to get out of pain. They might not see themselves as athlete, but I think you would probably beg to differ.

[00:24:18] And why do you think adults or anyone coming to see you should see themselves as an athlete and address their body that way?

[00:24:26] Noolee: [00:24:26] Yeah. So I think, I think the common, uh, common perception of an athlete is someone that we watch on TV that moves, that gets paid for playing a sport. Right. Um, for me, the, the, the way I define I'm an athlete as someone who's proficient or skilled or active in sport in physical activity or exercise. Um, and so.

[00:24:52] For me, if you're moving, if your body he is moving to do something, whether it's, um, competing in a [00:25:00] hundred meter track and field event. Or if it's bending down to tie your shoes or getting up off the toilet for me, um, I define that as someone who's an athlete. And so, because I would figure most people, if not all of us, um, fall under that umbrella.

[00:25:18] Um, for me, I define your body as an athlete. Again, the skill might be a little bit different than the movement coordination might be a little different and we might look a little bit different. Um, but your body is geared to move, to take care of whatever you're participating in. Um, and so, um, because of that, um, the load is different.

[00:25:37] I define it as load or, or the physical activity might be a little bit different, but your body needs to be specifically equipped to take care of whatever your body is. Asking you to do athletically or as an athlete. Um, and so yeah, for my perspective, and then when clients come in, um, I assess [00:26:00] everyone is an athlete and then go from there as far as treating pain and, and moving a client towards their goals.

[00:26:08] Dave: [00:26:08] Yeah, I really, really liked the way you phrase that too, with maybe load being different. The intensity, the activity might be different, but everyone should try and maintain their body with that, that same intensity. We look at the athletes, at least the top level athletes, the good athletes out there, the, uh, the ones that are invested in their, in their sport and in their skill.

[00:26:28] Yeah, they're, they're keeping their body in shape all year round they're they're not just waiting for something to, to break down. They're being proactive with it. And what are some of the other tools from a, maybe from a mental standpoint that you teach people when it comes to maintaining improvements for the, you know, for the long haul being, being ready at all times, being ready for whatever their sports season might be.

[00:26:50] If that's playing with their kids or playing a recreational sport or anything like that, what tools do you give them to maintain those improvements?

[00:26:59] Noolee: [00:26:59] Yeah, [00:27:00] I initially on the, I think the front end of the plan or the program is very important. And so, uh, for me, I really just try to establish good. Simple achievable habits. Um, and it might be something as simple as, um, over the next week. I want you to just walk 10 minutes and I try to make it as practical and as simple and as achievable as possible.

[00:27:31] And I'll grab their other to grab their phone. I'll say, I want you to, I want you to set an alarm. I want to see it putting a calendar. Okay, perfect. And alarm is that every, the alarm goes off. Here's the time during the week, you're going to walk and you're going to walk. You don't have to walk fast, just walk, set the timer, go, go for a 10 minute walk.

[00:27:52] And then, and then that's it for the days as far as physical activity. And so, um, from there it's one [00:28:00] pushing, like I was mentioning earlier, pushing a lot of accountability. But continuing to build and carry over, carry over on their habits that I'm helping them to develop early on. So, um, and that just falls into a, a mentality standpoint, I think, even from a mental standpoint.

[00:28:14] So yeah, I, there is something that I'm doing regularly, physically. And something that I can build upon that is achievable, simple, and, and that I can continue to do in a, in, in, within my context and environment. And so it really, from a really sending a good foundation from the very beginning, I find is really helpful from a mental standpoint.

[00:28:39] Dave: [00:28:39] I love it. And I want to hear your, uh, your personal journey side of things too. I didn't know. I didn't know. You lost 50 pounds as I saw it on, on your site. And we had, we had talked about this, but man, you look, look gray for one, but how, you know, what kind of things did you learn through that, through that journey?

[00:28:53] And how did you, you know, how did you grow like physically, mentally? What did you have to adapt to get from that version of yourself to, [00:29:00] to where you're at today?

[00:29:01] Noolee: [00:29:01] Yeah. So, um, thanks Dave, for that. Those kinds of words. Um, but, um, yeah, I, so back in 2011, 2010, that's when I got here married, um, and I was in PT school. So we got married in the first year of PT school, which was a journey and a battle in of itself. We got married and then ended up going to Korea. Where, my mom is from, uh, to visit relatives who were able to make, um, our wedding.

[00:29:34] And so I went back and I hadn't seen relatives in 20, 25 plus years, 20 years. And then, um, what they told me when I visited them, a majority of them, they said, Oh, you turned out the way we thought you would turn out. And what they meant by that was the way I looked physically, um, overweight. Um, I was a physically not as active as I should be.

[00:29:59] And from a [00:30:00] health standpoint, I wasn't in the best place and they were right, right. It's harsh reality. But, um, and it was harsh, but it was reality, nonetheless. And so for me, as I got back, I. My personality is I got a little bit pissed off, not at them, but just, I just got angry inside. And then typically anger moves starts moving me towards a particular goal.

[00:30:25] And so I just started, I have never plan. I just said, I'm going to run and I'm going to eat. I'm going to try to eat the same meal the entire day for six months. So literally for six months I ate the same meal. Um, And then I ran and I ran and I ran and I ran and I probably built up to like 25 miles, 30 miles a week running, which, um, I hate running and would just confess that I hate running, but I got up to that point and then I, I [00:31:00] just shed the weight, but then it wasn't the way that I should have said shed weight, nonetheless.

[00:31:05] And so I went from about, um, two 40 to about one 90. And above I'm at about one 95, 200, depending on the day and the time of day now. But, um, yeah, it was a mental hurdle. Um, probably the one single one single hardest thing I've ever done in my life. Um, from a mental standpoint, from a rhythm habit standpoint.

[00:31:30] Um, and from a psychological standpoint, um, I love food. I love beer. And so, um, I mean the battle to withstand and to push up against that stuff was, um, especially doing like PT school when it's stressful and, and times are tough. Um, yeah. And so that's, um, yeah, and I've kept it off. I've kept the majority of it off since, um, it was still battle to this day.

[00:31:58] Dave: [00:31:58] Was your, was your deeper [00:32:00] why for why? Why was that so important? Was it w I know the, uh, the trigger was, was senior your routed, but. Uh, that, that alone, trying to prove people wrong won't necessarily sustain you through those, those hard days. What, what were you connecting that to?

[00:32:14] Noolee: [00:32:14] Yeah. Yeah. I was always the fat kid growing up. I was always the fat kid growing up in the big guy. I was the guy underneath the basket, asked to grab three rounds. Um, I was always last in the, in the jogging line, on my, on our basketball team. Um, I was always alignment. Um, and so even from, you know, kids could be mean and cruel.

[00:32:37] And so even from childhood and that always struck me, but nothing in my childhood and growing up, uh, put us spark under my butt. Um, hot enough. Well, I guess that's what the, the, the, yeah, that's what did it, it was all that stuff built up. And then when we went to Korea, [00:33:00] that's what kind of led to, um, me pushing, pushing towards, uh, achieving the goal.

[00:33:05] So that was a greater why I didn't want, yeah, I was, I had enough.

[00:33:11] Dave: [00:33:11] Yeah, that's so cool. And you have to adopt different mindsets and different habits though, that you didn't have previously probably for how many years of you're changing, trying to adopt the habits of what works at the expensive, you know, and sometimes we find ourselves in the same ruts and we can, you know, first we can point fingers at different things and.

[00:33:30] Jen in genetics, we can point fingers at situations and environments, but eventually it's, you know, it's and I, I always hate this. Cause my reflect on the things I struggle with it, it comes back to person in the mirror. It comes back to my habits, what I'm, what I'm doing or what I'm not doing. That's keeping us from, from doing that.

[00:33:47] And that's, uh, you know, sometimes you can only take so much before it's forced time to make a change. It's it's cool to see you did that. Well, I'm going to transition the last part of our show here. I know you're short on time here. Just want to make sure to respect that. I hope I didn't. [00:34:00] You're going to have to think of a new one.

[00:34:01] If, if this was going to be the one you were going to use, because the question I ask everyone and talk about how from the outside, it's so easy to, you know, especially when I approached you about this podcast as being a place where you know us as men can. Can be vulnerable and report the struggles that happen.

[00:34:16] And I love the, you know, your weight loss example is already an awesome, awesome version of that, but it's easy for people to see you from the outside now and say, you got it all together. You got great family. You got successful business from that. If people aren't following you on Instagram, you're crushing down Instagram and putting out great content from the outside.

[00:34:32] It's so easy to look like. And everything's all together. He's got this, he's got this life. That's, that's all, uh, you know, running the way it should. And that can be discouraging or even harmful. I think for other men to men to see when, when other men are looking at on the outside, the comparison trap is, is definitely real and something I fall into and I I'm.

[00:34:50] Sure you do. And I'm sure we both be the first to admit that it's been anything but easy in a anything, but a smooth road the whole time. So I wanted to hear if you don't mind being, you know, being vulnerable [00:35:00] with, with listeners of what's a challenge you faced are currently facing your face in the past.

[00:35:04] That's been actually been a real catalyst for your growth as a man

[00:35:08] Noolee: [00:35:08] Yeah. Yeah. I mean with this, yeah. This can be, uh, a conversation over many hours. So yeah. Let me just be the first alongside with you were saying, Dave, uh, it's confessed that I don't have it altogether. Um, not from a business standpoint, not from a husband's standpoint, not from a father standpoint. You know, even my involvement, which church? Not as an elder. I, yeah, I don't, I don't have it altogether and it's not false humility. Um, yeah. I genuinely confess that I don't have it altogether. And so yes, all the things that you're seeing is not the full picture. Um, and so. Yeah, it it's. it certainly has then, um, a journey for me per on the personal side, outside of, you know, the professional side.

[00:35:59] Um, and so a [00:36:00] lot of what happened to me personally in growing up and things like that, that really impacted, uh, the way I function, um, both good and bad. And, um, yeah, the, the current struggle is, um, The current struggle is battling that. So My values are, uh, one my faith, um, two my wife and my kids, um, in three, my church, family, and then, and then business, uh, and it kind of comes in that order.

[00:36:30] Um, not kinda, it does come in that order. Um, and so, because of my inability is as you know, as a business owner, as a husband, as a father, I, even as a rule in my, in my, uh, serving as a church, um, yeah, I'm, I'm finding that, um, time is lacking and, um, my efforts are lacking. My energy is lacking and so.

[00:36:57] You know, my human tendency is to try to put [00:37:00] barriers and to put structure and to put schedule in such a tidy way where I can start to do better in these gaps and facets. And as you know, Dave, um, you fall short. So no matter what you try to do, and you try to puzzle piece together, you get up at four 30, you know, you grind and you create a schedule, block, schedule eats, right?

[00:37:20] And you do all these things and you realize. I mean, I still fall short in these areas. And so, um, yeah, honestly for me, the solution is my faith and I just turned to my prayers in the morning. I've been the same, um, for, I've been telling our church coming from our church. God, I just pray the exact same things in the morning.

[00:37:43] I God, I, I surrender to you what I can control and what I can, um, what I can't give up. You take it from me and then allow for my status or my feelings of adequacy, not in, you know, how much money mean we [00:38:00] may grow, how better patient feels, but in, you know, what you have to provide. And so there are days where, you know, It's it's we do well from a business standpoint and, and I have to remind myself like my status isn't found in how well I do business.

[00:38:20] And then there are days when it's we take. And then after remind myself, my, identity isn't found in, You know, success or a lack of it, you know, that kind of thing.  

[00:38:32] Dave: [00:38:32] Man. I, I love, uh, I appreciate you sharing that. I appreciate you being involved about the X that's. That's so much good stuff. And like you said, I think we could talk for a while we're on, on this topic alone. Cause there's so many layers to that and having those priorities, but time doesn't always match up our.

[00:38:48] No, our performance definitely doesn't always match up in terms of what that looks like. I just think it's great that you can share the right. I know you're not the only one struggling with it. There's that at least two people in this conversation struggling with that. So I [00:39:00] I'm sure there's, there's many more outside of it, so really appreciate you sharing and this, and I want to want to kind of wrap things up here with a few, few takeaways first from things that I was writing down is we were talking about just to give people some.

[00:39:11] You know, actionable steps from some of the things we were talking about earlier, there's no quick fix in anything that's meaningful change doesn't occur overnight and getting better. Getting to that longterm goal won't happen overnight either. I love talking about the whole thing of gratitude and appreciating where you came from, keeping the long term goal in mind, being grateful for all the progress that we have made in those certain areas.

[00:39:33] And the last thing around habits I love when you said simple, practical and achievable. So set set habits that are achievable, that they are simple. They don't have to be, you know, I have to make this, uh, this grand goal that you have to will yourself to. A lot of times the small changes create, create big things over time.

[00:39:49] So anything you want to add to those, those takeaways, that there were a bunch of things, but those were a few things that I jotted down.

[00:39:56] Noolee: [00:39:56] No MEU in the head. Um, yeah, you hit in the head. [00:40:00] That was good.

[00:40:01] Dave: [00:40:01] Very cool. So last hypothetical question here. Ask all the guests that were saying you're leaving your favorite, favorite coffee, shop your favorite restaurant, your favorite brewery in town. And you bump into your younger self 10 years back. So younger, newly asked current you for some life advice. You're on your way to a super important day with yet full, full scheduled patients.

[00:40:18] You can't miss. You only have 60 seconds to talk with him. What advice would you give them? What would you say to them?

[00:40:23]Noolee: [00:40:23] Number one, the Lakers and the Dodgers will have their little. Have some sticktuitiveness with them, be loyal, be faithful. Number one, number two. Relationships are King relationships are King value. Then treasure them. There'll be ups and downs in your relationships with all the, all the people that you come in, come across in your life.

[00:40:50] Have some sticktuitiveness, you know, I'm reminded of first Corinthians 13. Um, that love is patient love is kind. And so [00:41:00] yes, those two things make sure that the, yeah, the Lakers and vegetable we'll have some lines as in those battle through the lows and the secondly relationships are King.

[00:41:10] Dave: [00:41:10] Love a man. Really? This is so great. I know we're kind of short on time here today, but so much good stuff packed into this. Really appreciate you sharing your knowledge, sharing that experience and being encouragement for anyone listening. So let's, let's just wrap up here. Where can people find you if they want to reach out to you to those definitely in the LA area or anyone else looking to get ahold of you?

[00:41:29] Noolee: [00:41:29] Yeah, our, um, our practice is called I athlete physio. Um, and our website is I athlete So you can find us. check us out on our website. You can follow us on Instagram I dot athlete, physio, P H Y SIO, non athlete, P uh, physio, pH why SIO? Um, we also are on Facebook as well. You can find us on athletes.

[00:41:54] Um, I athlete physio on, on, on Facebook as well. Um, [00:42:00] yeah, that's where you can find this.

[00:42:02] Dave: [00:42:02] Very cool. Take advantage of that. Reach out to them, especially those in the LA area. I knew he meant I had a, I had an absolute blast. I appreciate you taking some time to get down here and I really appreciate you sharing all that.

[00:42:12] Noolee: [00:42:12] No man. Thanks for having me, Dave. Appreciate it.

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