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Men Made For More Podcast Episode 115: Faith, Fatherhood, and Fitness with Kyle Shrum

guestepisode Jan 07, 2021

We’re joined with special guest Kyle Shrum - minister, fitness coach, garage gym athlete, and operations manager for coaching PT business owners. We dive deep into living and growing in faith, as fathers, as leaders, and in your fitness. Kyle has an amazing amount of experience and life application when it comes to growing both personally, professionally, and as a leader of your household and your work. Listen up today to learn how to stay consistent, live as an example, find the right community, and find your WHY that will take you to new levels.

You can reach Kyle at @kyleshrum on Instagram and Facebook or  check out https://garagegymathlete.com/ to learn more about becoming a garage gym athlete yourself. 

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Men Made For More Podcast Episode 115: Faith, Fatherhood, and Fitness with Kyle Shrum

[00:00:00] Dave: Welcome to the Men Made For More podcast, a show designed by men for men looking to get strong, feel confident, and live a high performing life. As men, we face many challenges as we try and strive for a better life. We want to live a meaningful and competent life. The don't know where to start. You've lost your physical and mental edge.

[00:00:18] It's keeping you from living out your full potential. You tired of talking about doing big things and you're ready to start living it with the men made for more podcasts. The goal is to teach you how to strengthen your body, your mind. And your purpose and your way to reaching your full potential. It's time to start living as a man.

[00:00:34] You know, you can be to help lift those up that matter the most in your life. Every week, we'll have a featured guest who will share valuable information and experience to give you actionable strategies. You can apply to live as a man you were made to go drawn or guests, knowledge and experience. More importantly, we will discuss how this applies to the common challenges and struggles with being a man in today's world.

[00:00:55] Our goal is to not only build strong men physically. But to help coach and develop strong [00:01:00] friends, sons, brothers, fathers, business owners, and professionals in every area of your life. I'm your host, Dr. Dave Paczkowski,  proud husband. business owner, Physical therapist and strength coach with a passion for helping other men strengthen their body, their mind, and their purpose, wherever you're at on your journey.

[00:01:19] I'm excited to have you here with us today. Now let's dive in today's episode of the Men Made For More podcast.

[00:01:27] What's up guys. Welcome to today's guest episode of the men made from our podcast. I am joined with special guest Kyle Shrum, who is a coach at end of three fitness. He's an operations manager for physical therapy business, a coaching and consulting company. He's a husband, a father of two, a former full-time youth minister.

[00:01:49] And he's got a, a ton of knowledge that I'm excited for him to share with you guys. He's done a lot in his life. He's, uh, Done some amazing things, both personally [00:02:00] with, uh, with his family, with his own faith journey, with losing a lot of weight with getting into shape after discovering his personal why, and having his kids.

[00:02:09] And, uh, he's just got some great, uh, experience and wisdom to bring to you guys today. And he'll be the first to tell you that becoming a fitness trainer is one of the last things he thought. He'd ever imagined becoming, but here he is today, helping others reach high levels of fitness through, through his coaching among, uh, doing some other really cool things and in his work and just in his, uh, in his life, through his family and, um, through his personal mission.

[00:02:35] And his, uh, current life mission now is just to help others find success. And he does this through showing people the importance of knowing their, why cleaning up their diet, avoiding, hopping from program to program and getting in that rabbit hole. And some of these, he sees as the biggest obstacles that he had overcome.

[00:02:54] And he embodies the consistency is key principle and wants to show as many people as he can. [00:03:00] How simple, but not easy. Simple can be to regain fitness. And again, that's, that's something you'll you'll hear when you hear him talk, is that it's not always easy, but the answer is usually simple and consistency is always the key.

[00:03:14] So I'm excited to have Kyle on here today. I'm excited for you guys to hear what we have in store talking through some of those things that he's so passionate about and just a lot of other good life principles, whether you're a family, whether you're someone leading a employees you're leading in your workplace, or whether you're just looking to get in better shape and build some better habits for yourself and for others around you, then this episode is going to be a great one for you guys to listen in on.

[00:03:38] So, uh, without holding this up any longer, let's dive in and let's get started.

[00:03:43]Kyle welcome to the Men Made For More podcast, man. I'm really stoked to have you on here today and I appreciate you taking some time to be honest. Yeah.

[00:03:49] Kyle: Yeah, man. I'm excited about it. Um, I'm thankful for the opportunity to get to come here and talk to you for a minute.

[00:03:56] Dave: Yeah. Gonna be good. So why don't you, uh, why don't you to start by giving a little [00:04:00] background of your story personally, professionally, where you're at, what you're up to right now?

[00:04:04] Kyle: [00:04:04] Well, I don't, um, I don't know how much time I've got, but,

[00:04:08] Dave: [00:04:08] Let it rip.

[00:04:09] Kyle: [00:04:09] uh, so in August, actually I stepped down from, um, full-time youth ministry, which is something I had done for the past seven years. And so stepped down to do what I'm doing now. My full-time job now is, um, I'm the operations manager for. Physical therapy.

[00:04:26] B is training also known as PT Biz, and, uh, that's where you, and I know each other from, and, um, I think w we connected in the past too, you know, as something else, but, um, but that's where we work together from now on. Um, but so, um, I work at home now, work online. And that's where I'm sitting right now. I'm sitting in my office, in my gym at my house.

[00:04:49] And I'm also, so that's my full-time job. And I'm also a part-time fitness coach for, End Of Three Fitness, which is an online fitness company. And, um, so I've been [00:05:00] with them. I've been a coach with them, part of the coaching team for two years now. And, um, before that I was an athlete, I followed their programming and stuff.

[00:05:06] And so I've been, I've been with End of Three Fitness for. Over three years going on four years, but I've been a coach for over two years. So went from, um, went from having three jobs down to two I'm only at two jobs.

[00:05:22] Dave: [00:05:22] You keeping it lean right now. What was the, what was the transition from cause? Cause how long were you doing ministry stuff before you got into the fitness world? There was that something that came because you were already an athlete with garage gym athlete? Is that, is that sort of how that transition came to be?

[00:05:36] Or did you always have a passion in fitness?

[00:05:39] Kyle: [00:05:39] I definitely did not always have a passion in fitness. So, um, my fitness background, it goes back to, it goes back to high school. I played football in high school and middle school. And so I did, you know, the good old football strength coach training, you know what I mean? Which is hit or miss. And mine was a lot of miss.

[00:05:57] It turns out, but, [00:06:00] um, but after high school, I working out with something that I did for football. And so once I wasn't playing football anymore, it just wasn't really any, I didn't really see the point in it. And so, um, fast forward to 2017. And I'm married and we have our first child and, um, weighing more than I've ever weighed before.

[00:06:20] And, um, you know, it was getting hard to walk upstairs and getting hard to move around and stuff. And I was just kind of sick of that. And so I had tried a bunch of different programs, a bunch of different free things and had a buddy of mine that had a garage gym. And, um, he was doing CrossFit in the garage and I'd tried some CrossFit with him.

[00:06:39] Didn't really like, it never really had liked CrossFit, but, I could do free stuff at his gym, you know, and free programming, but I just, I wasn't sticking with it. And I found End of Three fitness online and, um, read one of Jerred's articles and Jerred's the founder and CEO of into three fitness. And, um, Just [00:07:00] signed up for their program and sign up for their coaching course and actually started putting some money into it.

[00:07:04] And that kinda kept me accountable. You know, I'm finally spending some money and at that time, you know, that that money was, um, it was, you know, we had to move some stuff around, you know, to be able to afford it. And so I was like, you know, Um, this is going to keep me accountable and sure enough, it did.

[00:07:20] And, um, lost 65 pounds and got down to where I need to be. And then I became a coach for them, and now that's where I'm at now. So it's a, it's a, it's a pretty fun thing. Never would have expected to be a fitness coach. And, um, but you know, life comes at you fast, you know, things change.

[00:07:39] Dave: [00:07:39] Yeah, definitely. What, what point was there a point along there where you knew the transition from, okay, I lost this weight. I'm getting, I'm getting more fit that you wanted to be a coach, or was it more of a kind of slow onset or was there like a certain point where you're like, yes, this is something I want to get more involved with.

[00:07:56] Kyle: [00:07:56] so really my life has just kind of, and we'll tell it, we'll [00:08:00] talk about this more, you know, moving forward here. But my life is just kind of being a lot of. Opportunities presented themselves. And then me just kind of taking advantage of the opportunities when they come along. Um, I'm not really much of a planner.

[00:08:15] And so, you know, having a plan, you know, or like putting myself on a trajectory, you know, to be a certain. Place or to reach a certain place or achieve a certain thing. It's not really not really my thing. And so, uh, the good Lord has blessed me with, you know, a lot of opportunities to just kind of, Hey, you know, this is where you need to go with this and now are you actually going to do it and follow through with it?

[00:08:40] And so that's kind of what happened here. I, I, when I first joined up. Um, honestly, I didn't expect to actually stick with it, which is what I, you know, that had been my experience the entire time of trying to lose weight and stuff. I didn't expect to actually stick with it, but I did. And then, um, the opportunity presented itself to, you know, take the [00:09:00] coaching course and become a coach.

[00:09:01] And, um, so that was really cool. And so, um, I took advantage of that and then the opportunity presented itself, not just to be a coach, but to be part of the coaching team . And so I took advantage of that as well. And, that's just kind of led to where I am now, you know, just kind of, um, blessings and opportunities coming my way.

[00:09:19] And I just, I just take advantage of them. Luckily, uh, I've got somebody looking out for me, you know, that knows that if I don't, if I don't have somebody pushing me the right way, you know, I'm not going to go the right way. So, um, that's, that's just kinda how it's worked out for me.

[00:09:34] Dave: [00:09:34] Right. That's so cool to hear. And it's cool to hear you're just obedience with that. Or would I say just kind of leaning into those opportunities because, you know, I wanna just, uh, it's, it's a huge, uh, you know, credit to you to be able to follow that because a lot of people want to, you know, maybe be in a position where.

[00:09:51] You know, for, in your case, want to be a coach with End of Three Fitness, want to do these things, but they don't want to take the steps of, Hey, maybe I should start by being an athlete and then I need to [00:10:00] go through their program and, and you're, you know, you're just following what the next step is versus trying to plan out and say like, this is where I need to be.

[00:10:06] And this is what I think I need to be doing. And itnessjust trying to jump ahead to step Z before taking all those other steps. And as I'm sure you've seen in, in, maybe you can speak on this, but as you take the little step, then that's when these doors start to open. It's not, it's not like you had this end end dream in mind, and then you just went and went and got it.

[00:10:25] It's sort of this slow obedience that over time has led to where you are now.

[00:10:30] Kyle: [00:10:30] Yeah, and I don't think there's anything wrong with having plans. You know, I don't think there's anything wrong with being prepared for things or setting yourself up for things. I mean, that's certainly the way that it should be, you know, and, and. You know, within that time, you know, I guess I kind of glossed over it made it seem kind of easy, you know, but within that time, you know, there was, there was, there were things that I had to do to, to continue in that, you know, there were things that I had to do to actually bring that about, you know, it was like the opportunity presents itself, but, but you have to take advantage of it, you know?

[00:10:58] And then once you've [00:11:00] taken that step, you have to keep taking the steps to stay there, you know? And, and so that things don't fizzle out. And so it, you know, uh, I think it's, I think it's really good to. To have plans into, to be strategic and to try to put yourself in good situations. But at the same time, you have to understand that it's like I said, you know, life comes at you fast, you know, there's, and there's a lot of things that are out of your control.

[00:11:23] And there are a lot of things that you just need to understand. They're just going to happen to you and. And just go with it. You know what I mean, have something that, that you can trust, that's going to guide you forward and you just go with it. And that's just kind of, that's kind of how I've lived my life.

[00:11:38] I've been really blessed and fortunate up to this point.

[00:11:41] Dave: [00:11:41] Yeah. Yeah. It's is great too. Like what you said, there's nothing wrong with plans, but I think, I think people get caught waiting for the perfect opportunity and then they fail to act on so many good opportunities and, and, you know, when you get to it, when you get to a certain level, maybe you can say no to the good opportunities, but when you're just starting out and you're kind of figuring out what to do, [00:12:00] you just got to start taking on.

[00:12:01] Opportunities, whether they look good, whether they look like instead of just, you know, you can have these plans where you want to be, but still that, that bias towards action of just being like, Hey, I'm going to, I'm going to try this and see what comes of it.

[00:12:12] Kyle: [00:12:12] Yeah, get out there and you got to fail fast. You know what I mean? And that's, that's definitely something that anybody that's successful and you, I'm not saying that I'm successful, but I'm just saying anybody that's successful. That's something that you see, you know, as they try hard at something and it doesn't work.

[00:12:26] And the difference between them and the people who don't succeed are. Are, they just keep trying, you know, okay, well, this doesn't work well, I'll go try this, you know, and they fail fast and they learn fast. And I think that's, that's something as well, like have, have a, have an outline, but you know, don't make it a roadmap.

[00:12:42] You know what I mean? Don't be like, like there's, there's a bunch of different ways to get where you're trying to go. And before you get there, you may realize there's a better place to go anyway. And so you. Divert and go a different direction. And so it's just, um, ha ha have some plans put together, but just be flexible, you know, and, and be ready to be [00:13:00] ready to take advantage of opportunities.

[00:13:01] Dave: [00:13:01] Yeah, absolutely love that. And I think people are afraid to fail because they think it's it's final. If they fail, it's like, well, that door is permanently closed. And it's like, no, that might just mean you have to, you might just be a, you know, a hair off or a little, you know, a little, a pivot away from, from moving in the direction that you really want to be heading.

[00:13:17] Kyle: [00:13:17] Yeah. Or maybe even if that door does close. Okay. That one's closed. Go find another one. You know, there's a bunch of doors out there. And so maybe that's just not how things were supposed to work out or, you know, whatever you want to believe, you know about it, but just, just don't don't stop moving, you know, just, just keep going and, and be ready for those opportunities when they come up.

[00:13:36] So, you know, mic drop, I think we can just end it here and we've got everything. Everything we need.

[00:13:42] Dave: [00:13:42] we're going to close this one off today and we'll just, uh, if you guys have any questions, you can reach out to Kyle and no, that's great. And when we were talking about where to, yeah, I love your, your background here with all the things you've mentioned and you've had a bunch of jobs and you have your ministry side and you're a father you're in the fitness thing. Now [00:14:00] you're in more of the business world. Now. You've just, all these experiences are really awesome to be able to pull from. And I'm excited to hear some of your knowledge today. And when we were talking about kind of which, which direction we wanted to take it, it, I, you know, the first, first thing that came to mind too, is just seeing.

[00:14:18] Being in a position of influence and as men, we, whether we realize it or not, we're in this position of influence we're in this position where we're leading our families, we're leading in our workplace where we have this incredible opportunity to impact other people. And I don't think men realize the impact that our words have, that our actions carry.

[00:14:38] And as you with your kind of vast background, I'm excited to hear what you think on this. But I think our, you know, our words carry so much weight. Our actions carry so much weight, whether it's in the household was in the workplace. And I kinda want to hear what you think on. With the pressure we face as men, you know, especially for a lot of the guys listening here, we have a [00:15:00] lot of pressures in our workplace, in our households to perform, to be, you know, doing all these things with other pressures we face as men trying to lead, try to provide, trying to just live out our lives in this crazy world.

[00:15:12] How do you stay grounded and where do you stay? Find your focus on what really matters most with all these things you have going on.

[00:15:20] Kyle: [00:15:20] So I think, I think you, and I think a lot of people say this, but really you need to, there's, there's two things that I think are important. Uh, one of them is you need to have a why. And I think that's what helped me with, with finally sticking with, you know, a program and losing weight and things like that.

[00:15:38] And getting in, in. Better physical shape. And just being able to live a better life, you know, is, is there was a why there, you know, up until then, it just really hadn't dawned on me. You know, the other people were depending on me, you know what I mean? Even with, with being married, you know, my wife and I were married for, you know, a little over two years before we had a kid, you know what I mean?

[00:15:59] And so [00:16:00] it was like, even with that, you know, I wasn't really. Wasn't really concerned with it, you know what I mean? But then this, this little life comes along, you know what I mean? And like, I'm responsible for it now, you know, and you know, to, to be what I needed to be for him and for, and for our daughter that came later, um, I needed to be in better shape.

[00:16:23]It wasn't really about, you know, looking good or anything like that. I mean, that's a plus, but, um, you know, it, it was about you have. You have a responsibility here. And so I think having a why as what, what drove me to actually stick with it. And that's kind of what has helped me through all the big decisions I've had to make all the transitions that we've made recently, all those things is, is why I do things and why, whatever it is that I'm doing, I know the reason, and I know what it, what is bringing me back to the other thing I think that you need is you need something that is bigger than you.

[00:17:00] [00:17:00] You need to. Put your trust and put your faith in something that's bigger than you. And for me, obviously, you know, coming from a ministry background, you know, I was raised in a Christian home, you know, for me, uh, that thing is God, you know what I mean? That thing is my, my faith goes to him and, um, my wife and I that's what brought us together.

[00:17:16] We were to get, we met at a campus ministry in college, you know what I mean? And so our entire relationship has been based on our, our common faith that we share. And so that's something that keeps me grounded as well as I know, there's something bigger than me and it's not just bigger than me. It's bigger than everything else.

[00:17:32] And you know, some people don't believe that and some people do and that's fine, you know, but it, you know, if God's not going to be your thing, then find something that's bigger than you. You know, because if, if it's, if it's all about you, like you're, you know, life's going to come at you fast, man. I'm going to say that again.

[00:17:47] You know what I mean? It's, you're, you're going to find out real quick. Wait, that, that the truth of it, you know, that life really isn't all about you. And that if you're the only thing you're leaning on that. One day, you know, that's going to come crashing [00:18:00] down and you're going to have a big moment of clarity.

[00:18:02] And so, uh, those two things I think are what's helped me stay grounded is, is really my big why, and not just my big why, but, um, having something bigger to believe in and having God on my side and, and leading me through all those things.

[00:18:17] Dave: [00:18:17] I love that. Yeah. Appreciate yousharing that. And the, uh, you know, for a lot of people, I, it came from me in, in a humbling way when I was so self-absorbed and, and, you know, especially through my teens and even early on getting married through, through playing football before meeting my wife and, you know, before my relationship with God was like, I was just so self -absorbed. And it was just all about my path and these things. And I just continued to get humbled in different ways because you get these setbacks and then you're like, but why like everyone else is slowing me down. And like it's always blaming on outside things. So it can't possibly be, be me. And it was just so self-centered that it's it's, it's not a good place.

[00:18:57] Good place to be. And I think that's, I, [00:19:00] I didn't really think about it that way until you, you mentioned like you did, but it's, it's fun to look back and see how far I've come to from, from that side of things. And I'm sure a lot of guys listening can relate of when we try and do it all on our own. When we try and think it's all about us, we, we will fall short time and time again, and it makes for frustrations.

[00:19:17] It makes for all sorts of all sorts of problems. I'm sure you've seen some too.

[00:19:22] Kyle: [00:19:22] Well, and, and I think something too, you know, being a Christian, putting your faith in God, you know, it doesn't take those things away. You know what I mean? It doesn't take those temptation that temptation to, to make it all about you, you know, that temptation to, to blame other people or, or whatever it is, you know what I mean?

[00:19:40] It doesn't, you know, being a Christian doesn't make life all sunshine and rainbows, But it gives you something. To hold on to when those times come, And I just, I can't imagine what it's like for somebody that doesn't have something like that to put their faith in or put their hope and trust in, you know what I mean when those times come, because if it really is, if you're all you're dependent [00:20:00] on what happens when you break, You got nothing at that point. And so, you know, I think, I think it gets presented a lot that. Um, the supposedly Christianity kind of alleviates all that, you know, it takes away all that suffering and all of that pain and all of that, you know, that, confusion about life and, and it just makes everything kicks and giggles.

[00:20:20] And it's like, it's, it's the opposite man. Like life is still life, you know what I mean? But you have something stronger to stand on and you have something to hold on to you to pull you through it. And once you get to it, and I think that's something too that we got to, that we have to acknowledge as well.

[00:20:35] Dave: [00:20:35] Yeah, no, I love that. And I want to circle back to when you're talking about finding your, why, when did you, when did you first realize the importance of actually tangibly doing this? I think a lot of people out there listening and be like, Oh yeah, I have a. I have a bigger why or I have a why, why I'm doing things, but I don't think many people actually like sit down and give it thought or put pen to paper.

[00:20:54] And what's, what's your process for maybe what was your early on process for actually [00:21:00] discovering this? If you can speak a little on that and then how has it evolved over over the years?

[00:21:05] Kyle: [00:21:05] so for me, it really was just the, Oh man, I've got a kid now. You know what I mean? It's like, I've got to stick around, you know what I mean? Like I can't like we have stairs in our house. I'm going to have to go up and down these stairs every single day, multiple times a day. I can't be getting out of breath every time I get up there.

[00:21:20] You know what I mean? Like I just can't do that. And so for me, it really was just. Um, just kind of boom, here it is. This is a big reason that you need to make this change. But since then, and especially with like our coaching that we do within the three fitness, something that we try to do with our athletes, when we first, when we first onboard them, when they first sign up for coaching and things like that, we talked to them about their goal, but not just their goal, but why that goal.

[00:21:46] And we, we try to go five wise, deep. That's what we call it five wise deep. So you just keep asking the question, you know, well, what's your goal? Well, I want to lose weight. Okay. Why do you want to lose weight? Well, I want to look better. Okay. Why is looking better important to you? You know what I mean?

[00:22:00] [00:21:59] Well, this and this and this, you know what I mean? And you get down to it and it's not just about us finding that out, but it's about somebody else. Speaking it out loud, you know what I mean? And so I think that's something that's really helpful as well as, I mean, and you find your process, you know, maybe for some people it's writing it down, maybe for some people it's.

[00:22:20] Talking to another person about it, maybe it's for some people it's really just, just speaking it out loud to themselves. I talk to myself a lot. That's something that I helped find that I find really helpful for myself. Just kind of processing things, but, um, but do that five. Why process, you know, and, and say, okay, well, this is what I want to do.

[00:22:39] Well, But what's the real motivation of why I want to do that. And sometimes you get down to it and it's, it's something really superficial. And you're like, man, is that really the reason I want to do this? And then you reconsider. It's like, maybe that's not something that I need to go for. You know, maybe there's something bigger here that I need to do, you know, or maybe you get down four or five wise deep and you see, Oh, there's actually a deeper issue [00:23:00] here.

[00:23:00] And maybe I need to focus on this issue before I get there, you know? And so, um, that's kinda how it's evolved for me with the Y it started out as just something just. Bam. It's right there in my face. And then now it's like, it's much, much deeper than that, you know? And so I I've found that really helpful.

[00:23:18] Dave: [00:23:18] Yeah. And I'm curious for you, is this a, is this something you still think about regularly now that you're in better shape? I know initially it was like, man, I'm getting winded going up the stairs. I gotta, I gotta step it up now. I mean, now that you're in good shape and everything, is this still something you're revisiting?

[00:23:33] Kyle: [00:23:33] Yeah, well, and that's, that's part of it. That's, that's evolved as well is it's not, it's not about me getting in shape now. You know what I mean? Um, um, I'm looking good now, you know, I'm in good shape, but it's like, Now it's something I need to pass on. You know what I mean? Now it's something that it's, it's a, it's a habit, it's a lifestyle.

[00:23:54] It's something that now my kids need to see from me, you know? And actually, um, my wife has [00:24:00] joined the program, so she joined the program last year. And so she's like, she's destroyed me, man. Like she lost over 90 pounds I think. And you know, we're still, now we're both, you know, in this where we, you know, we went on a, on a.

[00:24:12] And did a 5k run, you know, before Thanksgiving, last week, you know, and it wasn't like an official race or anything. Like we just, we were at her parents' house for Thanksgiving and we just got out and we ran a 5k together. That's it. We just ran, you know, Uh, two and a half K out two and a half K back.

[00:24:28] Everything's good. You know what I mean? And that's, but that's a lifestyle that we have now. And we talk about that now and we'd plan things around that now. And that's something that our kids see. And so for me, it's, it's something that I'm passing on. It's not just something that, you know, eventually my wife joined in with, by seeing what I was doing, but now it's going to be natural for my kids.

[00:24:50] You know, it wasn't natural for me. And so. I don't want my kids to ever be in the position I was in. You know, I want my kids, I want wellness and [00:25:00] health and fitness. I just want it to be natural for them. Not just some, they have to learn about it. It's just how they live. You know, I want them, when they start going over to their, their friend's houses, when they're older, you know, like the first thing they do is look for their gym.

[00:25:13] You know, if I'm spending the night at your house, where's your gym in your house? Oh, you don't have one. Maybe I shouldn't stay here. You know what I mean? Like you guys are crazy. Why don't you have a gym in your house? You know? And like, I want that to be natural for them. And. So that's kind of, it's evolved to that point of, it's not just me doing something for me and me having this, this one while now.

[00:25:33] Like my wife is different. My purpose is different now. It's something that, that I want to pass on to them and hopefully make it generational from there. You know, where it just continues to become something that's perpetuated over time is breaking a cycle man, just breaking a cycle.

[00:25:48] Dave: [00:25:48] so cool. And it really is just breaking the cycle. Cause a lot of people get caught up. And, and this can be health. This can be, you know, financial issues. This can be, um, relational, relational issues or [00:26:00] things that people it's just, I know there's a lot that goes into it. I know it runs deep, but we do have the choice to make that change, make that stance, put our flag down in, in what we believe in.

[00:26:11] And there's no guarantee that it's going to change for generations to come. Like you said, but it does start with someone making that change and being able to say like, Hey, I don't want to fall into the same cycle. I don't want to. Repeat the same thing. Like I want something better for my kids and grandkids and that, and it, it, it starts with a decision and you made that decision and it's cool to see your family following along with that.

[00:26:33] Kyle: [00:26:33] Yeah. It's um, I mean, if I panned around, you know, here in the gym, you know, you'd see a little trampoline over here. You'd see. I think you'd probably see some toys down here. You know, that I try to keep my gym picked up, you know what I mean? I don't pick up the rest of the house, but I try to keep my gym picked up, you know, but you know, they, they get down here and they play around and, you know, it's just a natural thing for them and that, and I just, I love that.

[00:26:54] You know what I mean? I like to see that and that's just kind of, but that that's something, especially [00:27:00] the. The small town that I grew up in. It's not, there's a lot of things from there, you know, that I'd like to, you know, a lot of habits that I'd like to break a lot of cycles I'd like to break, but, but this is one of them, you know, is, is prioritizing, prioritizing your health and just, just keeping that, keep keeping them away from those kinds of things.

[00:27:17] That's, that's what I want to do.

[00:27:20] Dave: [00:27:20] Yeah, that's great. And for being a, you know, like how you mentioned it, like instilling these habits and leading by example, what else is, uh, you know, as it relates to your kids or you, how else are you trying to lead them in, in different ways? Maybe because setting a good example is a big one, but what other either challenges have you run into when it comes to raising your kids in the way that you're trying to, or what things have you found success with that, that are working well for raising them into the, the, you know, eventual kids and teens and adults that you want them to be.

[00:27:49] Kyle: [00:27:49] Well, I think a big challenge is finding other people around you that can help you. And, you know, there's that old saying, you know, it takes a village, right? And then it really is true. You know, if, [00:28:00] if you're trying to raise your kids in isolation, you're actually doing them a disservice. In my opinion, they need to be around some other people.

[00:28:06] They need to, you know, that's. It's kind of like what I was talking about earlier, before we started recording, you know, we were going to a new church now and I think the biggest thing that's been a real help for us is getting to be part of a new small group. And it's a small group of people that are our age and whose kids are our kids' age, you know what I mean?

[00:28:26] And they get to be around. People who are like-minded, but people who come from different backgrounds and they, you know, they have different philosophies in parenting, you know what I mean? And so the, the kids that they're playing with, you know, they, they act differently and they, they have a good, a good, solid place to kind of learn how to be people.

[00:28:44] You know what I mean? And to learn from. Different perspectives and things, you know, they're, they're four and two, so they're not really, you know, they're learning, you know what I mean? But it's not like re on a really deep way. Well, yet, but it's still like building that foundation of, of having people around them [00:29:00] that can, can help raise them and can bring them to the place that you want them to be.

[00:29:05] And I think that's an important thing is as parents is, is you need to find people who are like-minded with you and that can pour into you that way. And that can teach you different things about life and give you fresh perspective, but who also have kids that can, can interact with your kids in that way.

[00:29:22] And y'all just kind of be in that little community, you know, together. And so, you know, obviously for us, you know, we, we find that at church and we want our kids to be around. You know, other Christian parents, we want our kids to be around other Christian kids, you know, and that's, that's part of it. It's not just raising them in isolation, but I think that's whatever your philosophy is, you know, or whatever it is that you're doing, you know, find other people around you that, that fit that, you know, and I can model that for your kids too, because raising them in isolation is just, it's no good.

[00:29:52] And you're doing them a disservice by doing that.

[00:29:56] Dave: [00:29:56] I love that it's such an important message in today's world, too. Right now, with [00:30:00] everything going on of isolation and finding ways to community. Have you run any challenges with that with having to kind of be enforced in isolation with, with all this stuff going on?

[00:30:11] Kyle: [00:30:11] Yeah. You know, birthday parties look different this year. You know, our birthday parties for our kids are typically a lot bigger than they were this year, you know? And, um, we usually have them out in a public place and you know, their little friends come and all that kind of stuff and didn't do it that way.

[00:30:26] Do that this time. And, you know, even, even church, you know, church just looks different, you know, um, going to go into worship at assemblies, you know, it's just, it's just different, you know, you're, you got masks on and you know, I could go on about the masks, you know, and stuff all day. I'm not going to do that, but you know, it's kinda, um, I'm kind of wary about, you know, kids being normalized to that, you know, I don't, I don't like that, you know, masks just kind of normal to them, you know?

[00:30:52] And my wife's a fourth grade teacher and, you know, that's how they are, you know, they're kind of collecting unlike like baseball cards or something, you know, Oh man, look at this new mask [00:31:00] I've got, I'm like, no, that's not okay. Yeah. You know, but at the same time, you know, you find ways to get around that.

[00:31:06] And I think something. Even, you know, before I left my ministry job, you know, we were having to do Bible classes and stuff on zoom, and we were having to do, you know, our, our worship assemblies we were having to do through zoom, you know, when people were having a live stream them instead of being together and, and things like that.

[00:31:25] And it was like, it showed me that even in this, this age that we have where we're. We're so heavy into the digital side, you know, and we're, we're growing that technological, um, that technological base where, where people are just, they're using technology for everything, you know, when it comes down to it where it's like, well, now you have to worship together digitally, or now you have to see each other only digitally.

[00:31:50] And it's like, no human beings need human beings. You know, they need to be, we need to be around each other. You know, we need to be in close proximity. We need to be. Looking at each [00:32:00] other face to face, we need to be picking up on nonverbal cues. You know, we need to be experiencing things together. And that just reinforced to me that as, as much as we depend on technology for so many things, it's like technology is never going to replace human connection.

[00:32:16] You know what I mean? We still need it. And, um, so that's something that's, that's something that stuck out to me with all this stuff going on. It's it's crazy, but you still need each other, you know what I mean? We still need to be around each other.

[00:32:28] Dave: [00:32:28] Yeah. Yeah. I love, I think technology can enhance relationships in a lot of ways of, if you already, I noticed that, you know, the relationships that were already strongly rooted for us in our lives, where able to transition to the technology season a lot better, but forming new relationships and those things and trying to build relationships off that I don't think it's possible on technology alone in the same way that the interaction is.

[00:32:53] And it's a great tool to have, but it definitely does not replace

[00:32:58] Kyle: [00:32:58] Well, I mean, you think about, I mean, this [00:33:00] right here, you know, we're, we're recording a podcast together, you know, I'm in Tennessee, you're in California, you know, and that's really great, you know, that we can do that, but. I feel like it would be even cooler if we were in the same room, you know what I mean?

[00:33:12] Like if we could do that, you know, if we could make that happen, you know, and be in the same room, you know, that would be even cooler. You know what I mean? But it's, you know, it has its place and I think it always will have its place, but I'm just, I'm wary of I'm wary of people wanting to make it the exclusive thing.

[00:33:29] I'm like, no, it's just not, it's not going to work. It's not going to happen.

[00:33:33] Dave: [00:33:33] in a queue for that, for the fathers. That's not there. I'm curious your take on technology in general for, as it relates to kids. Cause I know people have different viewpoints on, on this what's, you know, what's the, what are your fears around technology with, with your kids and. Wow. Kind of, how do you use that as a way to, again, enhance their, you know, it's going to be, if it's part of our lives, it's, it's only going to be more and more a part of their lives.

[00:33:56] How do you, you know, get them prepared for that, but also, [00:34:00] uh, protect them against, you know, some of that I'll always staring down at a phone or an iPad or something.

[00:34:05] Kyle: [00:34:05] Yeah. And I, I could go on about this for many, many days in a row, you know, without stopping, you know, with my time in youth ministry, you know, I was working with, um, six through 12th graders, you know, I was working with teenagers. And so this is, uh, this is something that I've, you know, I've, I've studied, I've researched, I've talked to a lot about, you know what I mean with a lot of different people, but.

[00:34:26] It's like a kind of, it's going back to what we just talked about. Like technology has its place. And I think, um, I think completely staying away from technology is, is kind of doing your kids a disservice as well, because we live in a technological world. That's just how it is, you know? And so if, if your kids are technologically illiterate, That's a disadvantage to them, but I would say my kids are foreign to my kids.

[00:34:50] Don't need technology right now. You know what I mean? They don't, they don't need an iPad. They don't need the, definitely don't need a phone. You know, they don't need, you know, they don't need any of this kind of [00:35:00] stuff. You know, they don't need apps on, you know, and games. Like, I don't care how educational the games are.

[00:35:05] You know, it doesn't matter to me, you know what they need to be using their motor skills. They need to be picking things up. They need to be throwing things. They need to be running. They need to be kicking. They need to be jumping and climbing and wrestling into like, those are the things that my kids need to be doing.

[00:35:18] They need to be putting their hands on things and learning how to do that stuff. Um, and technology can come in later, you know, and I would say, um, just my, my goal is to, is to not give my kids a phone until they're driving. I've got a long time before that, you know, I have no idea how that's going. So, you know, I'm not saying that's absolutely how it's going to go, but that's my goal, you know what I mean?

[00:35:42] And, and hopefully by then, we'll still have dumb phones around where it doesn't have to have an internet connection. You know what I mean? And I can just flip it up and push my number in or something. Um, but, but man, there's just, um, again, I could go on about it all day, especially if your kids are [00:36:00] teenagers, man.

[00:36:00] There's, there's things. I wouldn't even say before then. And like my, my wife sees stuff. She works in fourth grade. She teaches fourth grade. Like the kids that she's working with nine and 10 year olds, you know, like there's just things out there that nine and 10 year olds don't need to be seeing. They don't need to be hearing.

[00:36:16] They don't need to be experiencing. And this isn't even from, I mean, obviously my Christian side, you know, it comes into this as well, but like, this is just literally just from a human. Um, a human growing up standpoint, like kids don't need to grow up knowing those things. Like there's, there's certain points that you need to be before you're exposed to certain things.

[00:36:38] And so I just think parents need to be very, very careful with technology. You know, I think they need to be very, very hesitant about what they bring into their homes. I think they need to be very, not just that, but they need to be cognizant of. Technology's effect on them, how much they're using [00:37:00] it, you know, because like we've already talked about, you know, you're an example to your kids and if kids see you sitting there doing this all the time, they're going to think it's normal and they're gonna wonder why they don't get to, you know what I mean?

[00:37:11] Like why do you get to look at your phone all day? But I don't get to have one, you know, it's uh, and how do you answer that question? Well, You keep that question from popping up, you know, and just don't let it affect you that way I could go on about it, man. But I would just say, um, be very, very careful with it and very mindful of its effect on you, but also that there are things out there that you're not aware of and just be very, very careful with it.

[00:37:36] Especially with kids, man, kids are really smart. And kids figure this stuff out really, really quickly. You know, there are things that you and I did as kids that our parents didn't know about. You know, you've bought kids find ways to do things that they're not supposed to do, and they find ways to find out things they're not supposed to know.

[00:37:54] And just. I would just say parents, just remember how you were as a kid and [00:38:00] imagine what you would have done with, you know, this kind of technological stuff at your fingertips. Like, Whoa, where would you have gone with this? And then just saying, let's be careful with this. You know what I mean? I was alone long explanation.

[00:38:12] I tried to trust me. I pulled that down. I've reigned it in, man. I could go on

[00:38:16] Dave: [00:38:16] And I know you can go on with it and I appreciate you. Uh, it was, it was great. And I, I think just that, you know, what I took from that too, is that I think we lose. What kind of lose respect. We kind of lose awareness of how powerful this technology really is. And I know I've, I've noticed that on our own lives and, and my wife, Lindsey, and I have been very vocal about this with just each other, because we found out how much it creeps into our own lives and how addicting social media specifically can be when, you know, especially as business owners, when we're trying to find that balance between interacting and being present in the.

[00:38:53] World and being present for, you know, putting it, marketing for our business and, and making ourselves known yet also now letting it [00:39:00] creep in and affect the relationships that are in front of us. So if it's, if it's that hard for us to, I tend to consider us, um, You know, pretty aware people, uh, for, uh, for a kid or a high school, or even younger.

[00:39:13] If these kids are on social media and stuff, I can, I can see where there's dangers because it is powerful. It's, it's addicting. And not to say that again, I'm not, I'm not a social media is bad person. I think it's a great tool, but I think being aware of, I think being aware of it is definitely something that, um, as parents, you need to be taken, taking charge of

[00:39:32] Kyle: [00:39:32] Yeah. And I w I would go back to, you know, kind of what I said earlier about, about, uh, why, you know what I mean, like, go, go five wise, deep own. Why. You know, your kid needs this piece of technology, you know what I mean? And, or, or if the, if your child is old enough, you know, go five wise, deep with them, you know what I mean?

[00:39:50] Like, you know, well, why do you want a phone? Well, everybody else has a phone. Well, why is it important for you to be like everybody else? You know what I mean? Start, start having some hard [00:40:00] conversations. You know what I mean? I'm used to that. That's good for them too. You know, they need to know how to have our conversations and hard answers and stuff.

[00:40:06] And I would just say, um, Just be mindful of those things and have a good, have a good plan for it and just be wary. Um, like I said, um, I think it's a very powerful thing as well, but, but man, some of this stuff is it's, it's built to be addicting. You know what I mean? Like it's no, it's no surprise that it's addicting because it's designed in that way.

[00:40:27] You know what I mean? And so just, just be mindful of it.

[00:40:31] Dave: [00:40:31] yeah. If anyone's looking to go deeper on it, I haven't read a Cal Newport's book, digital minimalism yet. I'm not sure if you checked it out, Kyle, but I read his book deep work and he starts to touch on it, but he wrote a new book, digital minimalism as well. That talks a lot about. The addictions of social media and how to kind of move to more of this.

[00:40:47] Um, we're a lot of us are familiar with the term minimalist and doing that from a digital standpoint and, um, his, his books on my list though. But if people are looking to for more resources on that too, I I'd recommend looking his web.

[00:41:00] [00:41:00] Kyle: [00:41:00] Yeah, I'll definitely check that one out too, as well.

[00:41:03] Dave: [00:41:03] we'll go back on something. When you were talking earlier, too, it's a question I'd written down that I wanted to make sure I touched on more for my personal curiosity, because when you're talking about surrounding your kids with, with like-minded people and people that, you know, outside of your family unit, that can help to, you know, grow and improve.

[00:41:20] And I think even for us personally, if you don't have kids surrounding yourselves around. People who can help you grow and being in communities, uh, a really good practice to have, but I was kind of curious on your sandbox, I've kind of wrestled with this internally, myself of where's your balance between, you know, finding like-minded people.

[00:41:37] You want to find people who are, you know, have similar goals and passions and purposes to push you yet find people who are. Different enough that give you, you know, challenge you maybe, and, um, you know, challenge your viewpoints. And, uh, we can, we can speak on this. I think anyone listening can, can benefit from hearing this, but especially, you know, Christianity, I think gets accused sometimes of it's like, well, Christians hang [00:42:00] out with Christians and they're, you know, It it's, it's this very secluded community.

[00:42:04] So how do, how do you find this? I'm just, I'm just curious with all your background of, of, between like-minded people and then yet still people that will challenge you and grow you in different ways. Where do you find that balance or anything you can speak on that specifically?

[00:42:17] Kyle: [00:42:17] Well, I'll say, I'll say this, and man, you're asking a lot of good questions I can, and I'm a talker, man. I could go forever. But, um, I would say it, especially with the Christian side of it, um, Christianity is naturally evangelistic, right? And so we're supposed to be spending time around people who are not Christians.

[00:42:39] You know what I mean? And. The reason for that is to share the gospel of Jesus with them. You know, like people who, who have never heard of Jesus or who have not come to, you know, come to know him as their savior or, or things like that. Like we're supposed to be spending time around those people. You know what I mean?

[00:42:57] Um, but at the [00:43:00] same time, we should be understanding that. We should not be expecting people who aren't Christians to act like Christians does that make sense? And I think that's where a lot of tension comes with with people who are not Christians and people who are Christians is that I think the church has spent a long time.

[00:43:21] I'm expecting people who aren't Christians to act like Christians and holding them to the standards that Christians have submitted themselves to. And it's like, when you submit yourself to a standard, that's one thing and you should be accountable to that. But someone who has not submitted to that standard should not be held to that standard.

[00:43:39] You know what I mean? And I think that that applies no matter what. Um, is it in surrounding yourself with people who do not think the way that you do do not believe the way that you do or have maybe, maybe they do, but they have different viewpoints or perspectives on things like those things are good for, for human growth.

[00:43:59] And we need [00:44:00] those things in our lives, but we have to remember that the standards that we have submitted ourselves to should not be forced on people. You know what I mean? And so. When, when you're trying to surround yourself with people who think differently than you, you have to, as, as a person, understand that subjecting them to your standards is putting them at a disadvantage and putting you at a disadvantage in that relationship.

[00:44:28] You know what I mean? And so. You need to go into it openly of understanding, okay. This is where I stand. Somebody else stands somewhere else and that's okay. You know what I mean? But I can't be filtering everything that they say through where, what I. Am subscribing to, I need to try to understand from their side and I need to try to somehow, you know, bring it around to where we can be on the same page.

[00:44:52] You know what I mean? Um, and I think a lot of that just starts with understanding that everybody's a human being and everybody deserves to be treated as a human being, [00:45:00] you know, no matter what they think, no matter, you know, how you met them or, you know, whatever it. They're they're human beings. And so understand that and you, you have that one thing in common, you know what I mean?

[00:45:10] So just go from there, you know what I mean? But I think that's where we, as individuals need to understand that when you're surrounding yourself with other people trying to grow, trying to push yourself, you know, if you put yourself in a position to be pushed, don't get upset when you get pushed. You know what I mean?

[00:45:27] Like, um, if you put yourself in a position to grow, don't get upset when you're forced to grow. You know what I mean? Like. Understand that that's just part of it. That's part of the, part of the process.

[00:45:38] Dave: [00:45:38] Yeah, I like a lot of that and a couple of things that, that stood out the first one, just having intentionality around it, I think is something that's important of Being aware of. All right. I guess, intentional of, you know, when you're surrounding yourself around, whether it's yourself or with your family, you know, being selective with who that is, and not, not necessarily [00:46:00] having to avoid any relationships.

[00:46:02] I think in even outside of the. The Christians fear a lot, you know, it's pretty widely accepted that, that the, you know, the average of the people you spend, the, the five people you spend the most time with, is it just a popular self-help thing in general? So being aware of that and trying to kind of level up in those areas, find where you're deficient find, where you want to grow and spend more time around those.

[00:46:23] But don't. Don't get so pigeonholed in any anyone circle I think is, is, uh, a pretty good rule of thumb. And I just, I like as something that pops into my mind when you were talking about it, to where it's not avoiding anyone or anything, but it's also not trying to go into any. Conversation necessarily with the goal of trying to change people, either, like you said, it's not trying to impose your, your beliefs on them.

[00:46:47] It's whatever your beliefs are. It's and I think that's why there's so much division now, too, and not to get too deep on tangents, but we talk politics. We talk religion, we talk anything. There's there's these, we [00:47:00] go into our interactions with like, how can I convert someone to my. Point of view versus how can I can just connect with this person and actually listen to what they're saying, empathize with and understand it, and have an actual conversation that we can leave.

[00:47:13] Maybe not agreeing, probably not agreeing, but believe, uh, you know, with mutual respect and having learned from it.

[00:47:19] Kyle: [00:47:19] Well, and maybe, maybe it's okay for us to disagree with each other. You know what I mean? Maybe that's maybe that's good. I think it is good. You know, I think it's, I think it would be a really, really boring world if everybody thought the exact same thing and everybody did the exact same thing. You know what I mean?

[00:47:36] I think that's part of that's part of what makes, makes life. Really really great, you know, is having different perspectives and having different experiences and sharing those things with each other. You know what I mean? And, and I think there's something to be said with, with staying true to what you have devoted yourself to, you know what I mean?

[00:47:54] You know, don't, don't get. So surrounded by people that they pull you away from your principles. You know [00:48:00] what I mean, have be, be who you are, you know what I mean? But also understand that, um, that going into a situation, going into a relationship with, with the express goal of. Forcing that person to change to your side.

[00:48:15] You you've lost already, man. You know what I mean? You've already lost it. That if that's your motivation, you've already lost, man. It's just not going to happen. So, um, and I think, especially when there's something I was thinking of, when you, when you were talking about it was w with your kids of exposing your kids to those kinds of things, you know what I mean?

[00:48:35] I think you need to be. Really solid in making sure that you understand those perspectives and that you're very wary and very intentional of the situations you're putting, not just you, but your family, you know, their, their relationships that I can go have with people and conversations I can go have with people and things like that, that I'm prepared for.

[00:48:53] You know what I mean? As, as a grown person, you know, who, you know, has studied a lot of different things [00:49:00] is heard a lot of different perspectives. I can go do those things, you know, but like my four year old and my two year old. They, they need to be in a much, much smaller bubble right now. You know what I mean?

[00:49:10] And so I think that exposing your kids to too much at once, and I think it goes back to the technology thing too, like exposing your kids to too much at once is, is dangerous. But you, as it's just kind of what we've been talking about, like you setting the example of being willing to listen to other things and being willing to maybe even change your mind on some things, if you need to, that's a good thing for your kids to see, but I think you, as the adult, you, as the parent, You need to, to be wary of what they're exposed to as well and keeping their bubble smaller than your bubble.

[00:49:41] Dave: [00:49:41] yeah, that was really good. Kyle and I, I liked just the, be an example, keeps, keeps popping back up and whether that's in, you know, fitness and leading in your family or whatever it is, but, uh, in terms of, uh, kind of segue here into the fitness side of things with. Be an example through Gresham athlete. I mean, you you've been affiliated with [00:50:00] them for a few years now at this point.

[00:50:03] And it's, it's looking like a pretty good, uh, example to be, to be following with everything going on. Gyms are closing and there's so much stuff going on. What do you, what do you see the future of, of fitness being? What do you see the future of. Uh, garage gym athletes being in terms of where things are going.

[00:50:18] I think the rogue sales can probably speak for themselves on one side of it, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. As we start to wrap up here,

[00:50:25] Kyle: [00:50:25] Um, you know, man, there's been, there's been, uh, uh, some form of, of home gym athlete or garage, gym athlete. You know, there's been some form of that for decades now, you know, for, for a long, long time, people have been, you know, you look at all the, all the different, you know, infomercial machines that have been sold over the years and, you know, DVD programs and all that kind of stuff, you know, and that, that that's been something that's been around for a long, long time.

[00:50:50] But I think over the last few years, You know, we've really seen it even before COVID happened. You know, there was, there was a big uptick in people. Um, not just [00:51:00] not like having a treadmill at home, you know, but like actually having like a gym, you know, having like, uh, even, you know, commercial grade equipment at home, you know, and I think there was an uptake in that for years before COVID I know into three fitness was.

[00:51:14] Um, was started in 2011, you know, and, um, I, I don't know that, that it was on the cutting edge, you know, of the garage team athlete movement, but it was definitely close to the front, you know what I mean? Um, but you've seen, you know, those online programs popping up all over the place, you know, it's, like I said, when I first started trying to lose weight, you know, there was, there was a thousand different ones out there, you know, and you could pay for some, you could get some for free, you know, whatever, you know, you could find.

[00:51:39] You know, you could follow, um, you know, the CrossFit workout, CrossFit website, you know, and they put out a workout every day. You know, you didn't have to do anything, you know, you just do whatever they put up. And, but I also think CrossFit really kind of normalized a lot of that as well. You know, I think, um, I don't know, I don't want to bag too much on CrossFitters, but I just, you know, [00:52:00] you start drinking that CrossFit Kool-Aid and all the crap they want.

[00:52:03] They want all the same stuff that all the pros are using. You know, the games, athletes, they want all the same stuff, you know, and the beauty of CrossFit is you can have the same stuff. You know what I mean? Anybody can buy anything from rogue that they want to, you know, you can buy games, used equipment from rogue, you know, that after the games are over, they sell all that stuff that, that the athletes actually use, you know, and they sell the same shoes and the same apparel and the same, you know, white, the bumper plates and all that kind of, and it's just, um, you see the, the top athletes in the, in CrossFit having, not just a box, but they also have a gym at home.

[00:52:38] Where, you know, because they're, they're doing three or four workouts a day, you know, and not all of them are at the box, so they got to work out at home. And I just think, I think that. That, that surge is still going. And I think it'll continue to go for a few years of we'll we'll still be seeing an uptick in people, building gyms at their home, you know, and, and having that [00:53:00] kind of equipment.

[00:53:00] And, but I also think that there's always going to be a place for commercial gyms. I don't see them. You know, completely fizzling out and being non-existent. I just don't see that happening. Um, I think there's always going to be, because I think there's a subset of the population that, that just really likes that gym experience.

[00:53:20] You know what I mean? The, you know, the, the gym bro, you know what I mean? There's that term is there for a reason, you know? Cause you go there with your friends, you know what I mean? And you make friends at the gym and, um, And then, and that's great. Yeah, I think that's awesome. And so I think there's always going to be a place for commercial jams.

[00:53:37] I hope so. I hope that they're pivoting, you know, now that they see, you know, some of the things that are going on and, um, I think some of them are, but I think there's always going to be a place for them, but I think we're going to continue to see for the next few years, uh, just that continuous uptick in people working out at home and it looking different than just having a treadmill that gets used for a couple months [00:54:00] and.

[00:54:00] Then catches close for a couple years. You know what I mean? It's like, um, I think it's going to, it's going to be a little bit more serious and, um, and I personally. I think people will find the convenience of it a lot, a lot bigger, you know what I mean? Then I'm actually going to a gym and, you know, with COVID shutting gyms down.

[00:54:20] I mean, I know there's a lot of people hurting from that. Not just people who work out there, but people who own those places, you know what I mean? That's, that's a business, you know, that's a business that someone owns, you know, and they're getting hit really hard with all of this, but like, Mommy I'm still open.

[00:54:35] You know what I mean? Like, and it never closed, you know, and I never had to slow down. Um, I never had to stop doing the program and never had to miss a workout, nothing, you know? Um, it's getting cold and stuff, so I don't want to run outside anymore, but you know, it's not because my jams closed it's because I don't like running in the cold, you know what I mean?

[00:54:52] But, um, I think it's, I think garage dams are here to stay and I think they're going to be. Um, we're going [00:55:00] to continue to see that uptick for the next few years.

[00:55:04] Dave: [00:55:04] Yeah, I think it's, I think it's a lot of good points and I want to kind of give you guys a, a shameless plug here too, because you guys do such a good job with it. But I, I think a big reason why people might stray away from grass, gym type stuff too, or home gym type stuff is because of a lack of community.

[00:55:20] How have you guys embedded community so strong into, into your guys' community and like, You want to speak on that? Just a little bit of how you've taken something that's that's, uh, can be an isolating activity and made it into more of a, you know, a group of family, uh, a community

[00:55:36] Kyle: [00:55:36] Yeah. Sure. So, you know, as much as I've bagged on technology today, you know, when you're an online company, you depend exclusively on technology, you know? And so our community is online. You know, our, we have a private Facebook group for our members. We have a. Uh, public Facebook group that we just have for anybody whose garage, gym athlete, anybody that wants to join that they can, they can join it.

[00:55:57] They don't necessarily have to be a paying member of our [00:56:00] program, but that's something that, you know, and we have things within our business, you know, that we do specifically for the community of trying to make sure that we build that up and. Um, you know, we, we do four podcasts a week, you know, and that that's something that, uh, one of those podcasts is an athlete of the week podcast, which we interview one of our members, one of our paying members, um, on that podcast.

[00:56:22] And so our, our community of members gets to hear from one of their own, you know, every single week, you know? And, uh, so they have, they have a podcast episode dedicated to them, a Facebook post dedicated to them, you know, before COVID hit, uh, we were doing. Um, several, um, we were doing a few, um, events together.

[00:56:43] We did, we ran some Spartan races together, um, with, uh, some, some trauma thrown in there from that that's a story for another time, but yeah, we, we ran some Spartan races together, did some events. And I think that kind of also helped people to kind of do that on their own. [00:57:00] Like we have people that meet.

[00:57:02] Together and do events together, you know, outside of like official garage. Like we, we officially met as garage, gym athletes and ran as a team, you know, and Spartan races. But then you have people who go and do events together on their own, or that's also, you know, push some people to actually just have that community at their house.

[00:57:19] You know what I mean? Like their neighbors see them out doing their thing. And then they started mounting their neighbors over and their neighbors start working out, you know? And so, um, I know that's something and, you know, going back to CrossFit, that's something that CrossFit really depends on as well, is that community aspect of it.

[00:57:33] You know what I mean of, you know, you're suffering, but you're suffering together. You know what I mean? And that's, that's how commercial GM's thrive as well is just having people that, um, that meet together at the gym and they do their thing. Um, but that's, that's the power of technology as well as we're able to have still have a really strong community of people that.

[00:57:53] That live all over the place. You know, we have, we have athletes all over the world, you know, not just in the, in the States and, um, [00:58:00] and so we get to connect in that way and it's just, um, it's a really, really cool thing.

[00:58:04] Dave: [00:58:04] yeah, super cool. I think it's awesome. What you guys are doing. So it's, it's fun to see you guys from, you know, observing it and seeing how you guys have, have grown through that and kept the community with it is really cool to see.

[00:58:16] Kyle: [00:58:16] yeah, this is actually this shirt right here is one of the things we had to get. You get people free t-shirts and you know, that's a good way to, um, you know, this is a, this is our PR shirt. This the red one is for a five PRSP at five PRS while you're on our program. And then you get a free read. Uh, PR shirt.

[00:58:31] So, you know, you get, you give stuff away to people, you know, and they they're like, yeah, I think I'll stick around. You know what I mean? It's kinda cool, but you know, you get, you get to earn it, you know, like you can't buy this shirt anywhere, you gotta earn it and all that kind of stuff. So, you know, we have stuff like that, that builds community, but like, it's, it's to the point now, the community's just kind of perpetuating itself now, you know what I mean?

[00:58:49] And it's a, it's a really, really cool thing to see really cool thing to be a part of.

[00:58:53] Dave: [00:58:53] Yeah, no, that's really cool. Amen. It's been a lot of good stuff here. As, as we start to tie it up, there's a few more questions have [00:59:00] here. Some of the final questions asked the, the guests that come on, I've, I've already appreciated your, your vulnerability. And I know we've already gotten outside of the, just the fitness, fitness box and get into, you know, faith and fatherhood and some of those different things, but I'm kind of curious for.

[00:59:15] You know, to, to hear where you at on this question, because a lot of, a lot of guys listening, we see, we see myself speaking, we see the guests from the outside. We see these people who are doing these really cool things. And it's easy to look from the outside again, dangers of social media and be like, you got it all together.

[00:59:31] These things are figured out, happy, happy families stay in fit. Uh, you know, Working with multiple businesses, very successful businesses. And it's, it's easy to look from the outside and think that you have it all together, that I have all together, that we, we have all things figured out. And yeah, I think we'd both be the first to admit that that's definitely not the case,

[00:59:51] Kyle: [00:59:51] Not at all.

[00:59:51] Dave: [00:59:51] no, not at all.

[00:59:52] And, uh, you know, because of that, I think that's that actually poses a danger for people listening, because I know personally and where [01:00:00] this question tends to strike home is that, you know, early on when I was making it through school and PT school and. You know, playing college football and doing these things, it was always looking to you see these, these images of people and whether it's pro athletes, whether it's people, you look up to you and it's, it's.

[01:00:16] These people always have it all together. They got to figure it out. These people are doing more in business. These people are doing in their, whatever their passions are. And I, I think that's a dangerous place to be because it creates insecurities. It creates these false stories. Aren't really real around, uh, people have flaws.

[01:00:32] We have these things we struggle with. And if you don't mind sharing with listeners, something, you know, a challenge you faced recently, or maybe something you're still actually going through now, that's been been challenging, but actually been a catalyst for your growth as a man.

[01:00:45] Kyle: [01:00:45] You know, man, I actually am all put together, so, you know, everything's good. I don't have any, I don't have any pro no. Um, I'll, I'll be honest, man. Um, stepping away from ministry was, uh, was a really difficult thing [01:01:00] and, um, You know, it's, it's kinda, like I said, you know, and just, just saw the opportunity and, you know, the opportunity to provide better from a family of ministers, you know, who are not, not very highly paid, you know what I mean?

[01:01:11] And, and I'm married to teacher, you know, they're not very highly paid either, you know? And, um, I honestly, man, I don't. I don't care one bit about money. You know what I mean? If I didn't need money to live, you know, if my kids didn't need money to live, I wouldn't care to have a dime of it. You know what I mean?

[01:01:25] I would do whatever I wanted to do and never expect anybody to give anything back. You know what I mean? But, but that's the truth of it. You know, I need money to live. My kids need money to live. My wife needs a place to live, you know what I mean? And so. That that opportunity to, to provide better, you know, presented itself.

[01:01:44] And I just felt like, you know, I felt like as a man, like that was mine, you know, I had to at least consider it. You know what I mean? Uh, it was something that I had to, to, to really wrestle with and really make a decision on. And it wasn't something that I made lightly, you know what I mean? But I think the nature of [01:02:00] ministry.

[01:02:01] Um, and maybe this was just my own insecurities coming up, but I think the nature of ministry is it, it seems like it's something that you should do once you get into it, that you should do it for the rest of your life, you know? And if you don't do it for the rest of your life, then you're a failure. You know what I mean?

[01:02:17] You failed at ministry and. Uh, I think I just, I had to come to grips with, um, the fact that there's still plenty of ministry out there for me to do, you know what I mean? And all of us do, you know, and, and ministry is just, uh, you know, it actually, you know, overseas, you know, there's minister doesn't necessarily refer to Christians, you know, it doesn't necessarily refer to a church, you know what I mean?

[01:02:41] It could just be, uh, an executive, you know what I mean? It could just mean somebody who's in charge of something. And so, but, but ministry. I think the nature of it, at least here in, in the South, you know, where I come from, um, it seems like it's something you're supposed to do for life. And if you don't do it, then you failed at it.

[01:02:57] And I had to come to grips with all [01:03:00] of us are ministers in some way, you know what I mean? We're, we're all ministry in some way. We're all an example to somebody, you know, we're all. Showing somebody how to do something, whether for good or for bad, we're all showing. And really ministry is mostly just building relationships.

[01:03:16] You know what I mean? It's just, um, getting to know somebody and trying to help them with whatever they're going, going through. You know what I mean? That's really what ministry is about. And there's still plenty of it that I can do that if I'm not in a full-time capacity and actually I'm not being a full-time minister.

[01:03:36] Um, who's employed by a specific congregation can actually open me up and free me up to do more than I was able to do. You know, if I'm, if I'm willing and courageous enough, you know, to take those opportunities. And so, um, there was a lot, a lot of good that, um, I really enjoyed my time as a minister, you know, and I really enjoyed my time doing it full time, but.

[01:03:57] I can still minister going forward. And that was just something that I [01:04:00] had to grapple with. You know what I mean? Like, what are people going to think of me? What are people gonna say? You know, what, how am I going to justify this? You know, is it really that, um, I want to make more money. And so I'm leaving this job, you know, it's one of those, you know, when you say it like that, it sounds really bad.

[01:04:14] You know what I mean? But it's, I want to boil it down. You know, it was like, my family needs it. You know what I mean? And that's. That's my wife or everything is, is my family, you know? And so if that's what they need, then that's what I'm going to do. So I think that was the, that was probably the biggest thing that I've struggled with recently was just, you know, am I a failure at ministry for stepping away to do something different?

[01:04:34] And it's like, I'm only a failure if I stop ministering, you know what I mean? And there's still plenty of ministry left for me to do, even if it's not in a full-time capacity.

[01:04:44] Dave: [01:04:44] did you wrestle with that? Cause it was, uh, an identity thing of something that you had just tied yourself to, or is it more of the perception of what other people would think of you and maybe some combination of both.

[01:04:54] Kyle: [01:04:54] I think it was a little bit of both. Honestly, it really was. Um, you know, uh, [01:05:00] I, I didn't even go into my, my. Uh, journey through college, but like my, I I've had multiple jobs in my life. I went to multiple colleges to get there. You know what I mean? That's just the short end of it. But, um, you know, my degree is, you know, the degree, the only degree that I actually finished was in ministry, it was administering Bible.

[01:05:20] And so it's like, well, I'll put this time into getting a degree. It only applies to one thing, you know, so. You know, what do I do now? And, and part of it was, and I didn't identified as, as a minister and being a Christian. And it's like, all of that's wrapped up into one thing, you know what I mean? It's so like, am I, am I a bad Christian?

[01:05:42] If I decide not to be a minister anymore, you know? And so part of it really was identity. And part of it was perception. Like, like I said, you know, like, Some people think, well, you need to do it for life or you failed at it, you know? Or, you know, what are these people going to think of me if, if I decide to not do this anymore, you know, what are these teenagers [01:06:00] that I've been working with?

[01:06:00] You know, I love them to death, you know, and they, they love me and they. They're a really big part of my life. You know, I'm not going to see him anymore, you know, cause I go to a different church, you know, we don't work together or I don't work, you know, trying to minister to them anymore. Like, what's that going to be like?

[01:06:14] And there was just a lot of stuff that went into it, you know? And um, but I just really. I kind of had to do that thing, you know, of drilling down deep, you know, and figuring out what's the real motivation here. You know what I mean? And ultimately, I just found that it's the best, it's the best decision from a family and that's, you know, ultimately, uh, hope.

[01:06:35] I really don't think anybody can fault. Somebody for that, you know what I mean? Like, I wouldn't fault anyone else for that. You know what I mean? Um, you're making the best decision that you can make for someone else on behalf of someone else. That's your responsibility. So you, you do your thing, you know, but, but yeah, it was, uh, it was a struggle and, um, but you know, I came out on the inside and actually I had found.

[01:06:58] A lot of the skills that I developed as a [01:07:00] minister have translated really well to my new position. Um, you know, what I do with PT, because it's a lot of, it's a lot of relationship stuff. It's, you know, managing people it's, you know, interacting with people, you know what I mean? And it's like, you know, uh, I've found that, that a lot of the stuff I was doing as a minister, it translates really well to what I'm doing now.

[01:07:20] So it's like, I didn't really have a whole lot to worry about, you know, and that's kind of how it works out. I think most of the time.

[01:07:26] Dave: [01:07:26] brings it full circle as a, as a door closes or whether we choose to close the door, whether it closes on us, you know, other doors open and new opportunities and excited to see where that, that next chapter leads you as well.

[01:07:38] Kyle: [01:07:38] Yeah, absolutely.

[01:07:39] Dave: [01:07:39] And a few of the just, and we just keep having good conversation. Like, as we wrap up, I want to just keep going into it.

[01:07:45] But to three of the takeaways, I, I judged on quite a few things, but a few of the things that kept popping up as we summarize here, you know, finding your, why connecting to something deep down within you and go in, like Kyle said, five wise, deep is a good way to do it. Uh, one thing I would [01:08:00] add to that too, is just find a why that connects with you.

[01:08:01] And that's something that just. Sounds good. Or you think people want to hear that? Why that really resonates with you? The second thing, the importance of living in community and especially if you know, like-minded people or people with the same passions, the same goals, the same direction that you're heading to, not just surround yourself with, but especially your family with, to be, um, To be a good, good role model for them.

[01:08:24] And the last thing that kept popping up for me was, you know, being an example, living as that example, whether that's, you know, with things we touch on, like our faith, as you know, with technology, with fitness, with whatever it is to, to make sure we're living it out and not just telling, telling our kids or our employees or someone, one thing, and then turning around and doing the opposite thing.

[01:08:42] So those were three things that, that, uh, kept jumping out to me. Is there anything you want to add to that cow?

[01:08:47] Kyle: [01:08:47] Now man, you made me, uh, made me sound really smart. Made me sound. Like I said, some really good stuff.

[01:08:52] Dave: [01:08:52] say some good stuff. So final question. Actual final question here. Before we wrap up our hypothetical scenario. So we ask all the guests here. [01:09:00] So we say you're leaving a favorite coffee shop in town. You bump in your younger self. So younger Kyle of 10 years back younger. Kyle asks current you for some life advice.

[01:09:09] Looking for some, some guidance you're on your way to an important thing with your family only have 60 seconds to talk with him. What life advice are you given to him? What are you saying to them?

[01:09:19] Kyle: [01:09:19] man. Uh, I thought about this question a lot. It's really difficult. Um, it, it would take a, it would take a super important meeting for me to not sit down and have a conversation with 20 year old. Me, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like I would just cancel the meeting, you know what I mean? Um, but, but I would try to find 20 year old cow, um, Had a lot of stuff ahead of him.

[01:09:41] Right. And actually I just, I just turned 30 this month. And so I'm, uh, turning 30. I don't feel older per se, but I feel more introspective. And so I just, it kind of dawned on me for the first time. That an entire decade of my life has gone. You know what I mean? And this question brought that back up [01:10:00] of, you know, that front number of my age has changed, you know, and that only changes, you know, every now and then.

[01:10:05] And so 20 year old me would have a whole lot ahead of him. And there's a whole lot that happened to me that a whole lot of changes that I went through in my twenties leading up to where I am now. And, but I think the biggest thing that 20 year old me would need to know. Is that he has a lot of decisions that he's gonna have to make.

[01:10:25] Um, he's going to have a lot of uncertainty and he's going to meet a lot of things that he's not prepared for. And didn't foresee, um, That his life is a whole lot different than he expects it to be. And that's good because it's a whole lot better than he thinks it's going to be. And, uh, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to spoil it for him.

[01:10:44] You know, not going to tell him, you know, you know, who he winds up marrying, you know, or where he winds up living or doing or anything. And you know, I'm not going to do that, but just that. Life is not what he expects it to be right now. And, but that, because of all of that, the one [01:11:00] thing that he needs to do is to continually just trust in the Lord, just trust in God, because there's opportunities that he doesn't foresee.

[01:11:08] That there's, there's a path that's gonna, that he's going to have to follow, um, that he's not that he's not ready for. And there's only one way that he's gonna make it. And that's through trusting in God and letting God help him make those decisions. Cause that's what I did. You know, the, these opportunities came up.

[01:11:25] These aren't things that I just. Did I just made on a whim, you know? Oh, well, let's hope this works out. You know, that's just not, I don't live my life that way. You know, like I have something that, that I do trust in. I've trusted in God and in, uh, stay connected to him regularly. And, um, I think that's why I'm ready and prepared when opportunities come along.

[01:11:47] It's not because of something because I'm so wonderful. We're amazing, you know, are great at what I do. It's because I'm connected to the source of all of that. And. You know, again, some people don't believe that and that's fine, [01:12:00] but like be connected to something that, that is bigger than you. But I would just tell a 20 year old me, Hey, you got a lot coming up that you're not ready for.

[01:12:09] I don't even have time to explain to you what's going to happen, but. The one thing you need to know is, is to trust in him and let him guide you to those things because they're big decisions. And honestly, man, the only way you're going to make it through it is, is to trust in him. Cause it's, if it's up to you, man, you're going to mess it all up.

[01:12:25] So, uh, just trusting him and you'll you'll, you'll get where you need to go.

[01:12:29] Dave: [01:12:29] love it, Kyle. Good, good wisdom and happy birthday to you at 30, you have a lot more wisdom under your belt now, right at the change of a decade. So.

[01:12:37] Kyle: [01:12:37] Yeah. It's a, it's, it's funny to look back and think about 20 year old me and I don't know how I made it, but, you know, that's it like, I, um, I made it for him through divine intervention. That's the only way I can explain it. That that's how I'm here.

[01:12:50] Dave: [01:12:50] yeah. Funny thing is you look 10 years back and you'll be thinking probably a lot of the same thing. So

[01:12:54] Kyle: [01:12:54] I'll say the same thing. I'll listen to this episode 10 years from now, you know, when I turned 40 and I'm going to be like, man, that dude was [01:13:00] stupid. What's he thinking? Like,

[01:13:01] Dave: [01:13:01] I should have said it should have said this.

[01:13:03] Kyle: [01:13:03] yeah.

[01:13:03] Dave: [01:13:03] that's great, man. Hey, let's, uh, let's let people know where they can find you in a few different places make, make your, uh, make your, uh, plugs where you need to there. And you got a lot of things going on. So we'd love to be able to share that with people.

[01:13:14] Kyle: [01:13:14] Well, um, personal social media. It's just a couch. I'm on Facebook and then a calcium on Instagram. That's K Y L E S H R U M all put together all lowercase, nothing fancy about it. Um, yeah. You know, at garage gym athlete come over and check us out garagegymathlete.com. We've got programming. Um, I'm actually the one coach over there.

[01:13:38] So like, if you sign up for our coaching tier, then you get to talk to me. And I, you know, I get to walk you through our training and, you know, we do nutrition plans and stuff like that, too. Um, and then, you know, uh, the main job, the full-time job, PT biz, you know, if you're a physical therapist out there looking for, you know, some coaching, some.

[01:13:56] Some help getting off the ground or getting moving [01:14:00] in the right direction, business wise, you know, that's what we do. That's what we specialize in. So come in, come and find us and talk to us and let's see what we can do to it. Yeah.

[01:14:08] Dave: [01:14:08] awesome. Kyle man, I had an absolute blast with you with you on here. So I appreciate you taking time and appreciate you coming on for this.

[01:14:14] Kyle: [01:14:14] appreciate it, man. Yeah, it was good to be here and good to just kind of talk about a lot of stuff and to see where it goes. Yeah. Um, I'm glad to have gotten to be here, man. Good times.

[01:14:23] Dave: [01:14:23] Yeah. Good stuff. And I appreciate you sharing with listeners. So we'll talk soon, man. And thanks for coming on.

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