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Men Made For More Podcast Episode 109: The Power of Positive Attitude and Gratitude with Christopher J. Wirth of No Quit Living

guestepisode Dec 17, 2020

Have you ever struggled with a negative mindset that affected your confidence and your performance? Have you ever had trouble finding the right tribe to help you level up your life? Today we are diving into the power of positive attitude and what that actually means (hint - it’s not rainbows, butterflies, and a happy go lucky attitude). We dive deep into the habits that will help create more positivity, gratitude, and abundance in your life. Get your notebooks ready, this one is full of great info and practical tips to help you with whatever life throws your way.

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Men Made For More Podcast Episode 109: The Power of Positive Attitude and Gratitude with Christopher J. Wirth of No Quit Living

[00:00:00] Dave: Welcome to the Men Made For More podcast, a show designed by men for men looking to get strong, feel confident, and live a high performing life. As men, we face many challenges as we try and strive for a better life. We want to live a meaningful and competent life,  but you don't know where to start. You've lost your physical and mental edge.

[00:00:18] It's keeping you from living out your full potential. You tired of talking about doing big things and you're ready to start living it. With the Men Made For More podcast. The goal is to teach you how to strengthen your body, your mind. And your purpose and your way to reaching your full potential. It's time to start living as a man.

[00:00:34] You know, you can be to help lift those up that matter the most in your life. Every week, we'll have a featured guest who will share valuable information and experience to give you actionable strategies. You can apply to live as a man you were made to be. We will draw on our guests, knowledge and experience. More importantly, we will discuss how this applies to the common challenges and struggles with being a man in today's world.

[00:00:55] Our goal is to not only build strong men physically. But to help coach and develop strong [00:01:00] friends, sons, brothers, fathers, business owners, and professionals in every area of your life. I'm your host, Dr. Dave Paczkowski,  proud husband, business owner, physical therapist and strength coach with a passion for helping other men strengthen their body, their mind, and their purpose, wherever you're at on your journey.

[00:01:19] I'm excited to have you here with us today. Now let's dive in today's episode of the Men Made For More podcast.

[00:01:27] What's up guys. Welcome to today's guest episode of the men made for more podcasts joined with special guests, Christopher worth. And we are talking about the power of positivity today among so many other things, as it relates to leadership, personal growth, and just proving your outlook, having more gratitude, how to progress in life, how to progress positively in life.

[00:01:51] And, uh, man, this is, this is one I'm really, really excited for, because for a little background on Chris, he is the host of the no quit living podcast, which [00:02:00] has been rated as a top 50 business podcast on iTunes. And he is a sought after keynote speaker and he began his coaching career as, uh, an AAU basketball coach, collegiate basketball coach, as well as a high school basketball coach.

[00:02:13] He's living in Greenwich, Connecticut with his three children, Zachary, Emily, and Mason. And in addition to building and growing, no quit living CRISPR also enjoys spending time, playing sports, traveling, reading, and working out. And he actually just wrote a book as well called the positivity tribe, which we'll talk about in here as well today.

[00:02:33] But guys, like I said, I am extremely stoked for this one. Uh, Chris is a, a positive energy. He is a force and he is, uh, he's bringing it today. So this is going to be filled with good. Practical takeaways for you guys and inspiration, and I'm just excited for you guys to listen. So let's dive in and let's get started.


[00:02:53] Chris welcome to the Men Made For More podcast. And I'm so stoked to have you on here today. Knowing Cindy told me right [00:03:00] before, this is your 227th guest episode a much more than I even have put out.

[00:03:04]Christopher: [00:03:04] I appreciate it. It's a, it's an honor to be here. I'm excited. We, uh, connect a few weeks back and, uh, anytime I get to jump on, on other shows, it's a lot of fun.

[00:03:12] Dave: [00:03:12] Yeah. And, uh, we'll, we'll get it look into your podcast. You're definitely one worth checking out the no quit living podcast. But once you give listeners hear for those that aren't familiar with, you just a general background, your story personally, professionally, where you're at and what you're up to.

[00:03:26] Christopher: [00:03:26] Yeah, I appreciate that. So, uh, I run no quit living, which is a motivational speaking training coaching company. I work with individuals, executives. Do I do a lot with. Sales teams, corporations. And we do quite a bit with college sports teams and I have a background. I played basketball and tennis in college.

[00:03:43] I coached high school and basketball college basketball for quite a few years. And I just launched my first book. Uh, it's called the positivity drive, became mad a few weeks back and. It's obviously about positivity and, and it's just been a blast [00:04:00] getting to share our mission. But, um, I went through a pretty difficult divorce, uh, about two and a half years that really aligned and realigned a bunch of stuff for me personally and professionally.

[00:04:10] And, and before we jumped on here, we were talking a bit and. Kind of the term that I use are who's on your bus, who's in your tribe, who's in your corner. And what I realized during these challenging times is if you want different people to get on your bus, unfortunately, unfortunately, People need to get off.

[00:04:29] And it doesn't mean that, you know, you kick people off and say, okay, you know, you're out, get off, but in some ways, and I've realized that sometimes people get off of your bus at a certain time and you also get off other people's buses at a certain time in life. But I've realized that you can get back on as long as you do it in a professional way, as long as you do it.

[00:04:48] Cordially. And for me, these last two and a half years have been. Extremely difficult in many ways, but also been incredibly eye-opening and I've been extremely fortunate to align with a bunch of [00:05:00] really. Influential people such as yourself and some other people in our coaching program that just really are like-minded.

[00:05:07] And I think, you know, the Jim Rohn quote is you are the average of the five people you spend the most time with. I know it sounds really good and it's cliche, but. I've really, and truly realized and seen it in the past few months, that when you set yourself up with those types of people, you know, awesome things happen.

[00:05:23] And, and not only just personally, but professionally, and I've watched so many amazing things happen, not just for me in my space, but just people that are, you know, within that tribe per se. And it's been awesome. And I appreciate the opportunity to be here. It's always a, it's always fun to get on other people's shows, as opposed to always kind of asking the questions.

[00:05:44] Dave: [00:05:44] Yeah, definitely not. I'm excited to have you, and have you share knowledge with, with any listeners out there, uh, on the, on the tribe thing. So you talked about whether we call it being on the right bus, having the right tribe around you. Was this, was this a new, it couldn't have been a new realization with the past two and a half years, but have you [00:06:00] looked at it differently since then?

[00:06:01] Or what do you mean when you say that realign? Because that's something that quote's been around for a while of surround yourself with the right people, but did that have a new meaning or did that flip in a different way because of all that.

[00:06:11] Christopher: [00:06:11] yeah, it definitely had a new meaning and I want to preface my answer is none of this wants to, I don't want anything to come across as woe is me and, and, you know, you know, happened to me and I'm such an amazing guy, cause I made it through this stuff and in no way, shape or form, but I always knew of the idea and the concept and being a sports guy, both playing and coaching.

[00:06:32] You understand what it's like to have guys or girls in your corner, and really, and truly know if, and when the game's on the line, you can count on this person or this person can count on you. But going through the divorce, what I realized was, and it definitely opened my eyes in a couple of ways, but the thing that I realized was.

[00:06:52] A bunch of people that were there for me prior really kind of took themselves off of my bus. And I don't mean that again, as the [00:07:00] woe is me, but they didn't check in. They didn't say, Hey, just wanted to send you a text. You don't want to grab a cup of a cup of coffee. You want to grab a bite to eat. Just want to make sure everything's going okay.

[00:07:09] And what I, what had happened is it made me realize too, that there were times in my life where. I don't know if I was always there for other people. And, and the reality of it is it's never on purpose. You know, you don't wake up in the morning, be like, all right, Dave's my guy. I'm just going to ignore him his phone calls and text messages, because I want to, I know he's going through a really difficult time, you know, he'll figure it out.

[00:07:30] But life happens. Kids happens, marriage business, fill in the blanks and it's hard to be there always. And, and what I've tried to do, and ironically, Unfortunately, a couple of friends of mine are going through similar situations. And what I realized was whether it's God universe faith is unable to help them.

[00:07:51] And if I hadn't gone through what I've gone through, I wouldn't be able to help them the same way. Conceptually, everybody knows ideas and can give suggestions, but when [00:08:00] you go through it, you know, in the, in the, you know, the tough times in, in the mud and in those trenches, you learn and, and I'm. Extremely grateful.

[00:08:09] And I know it sounds kind of cliche, but I've had the opportunity to, to help some of my friends now. And it's just been unbelievable rewarding. So I'm super cognizant now of, of ways that can help other people, ways I can maybe lend an ear. And I think the one thing I realized, especially during this pandemic is.

[00:08:27] The ability to check in on people. And it doesn't have to be something where you're going to spend two hours with somebody could be just, Hey, Dave, I just want to send you a text, man. I haven't seen you in awhile. And if we want to grab coffee or something, let me know. And I tried to do that with, with all my clients during the last six months and the ones that I've connected with and got a chance to connect with a few times, it's had a really profound impact on me personally, professionally, because you know, it's the same thing back, you know, when you reach out to people, you end up feeling, I think better yourself.

[00:08:57] Dave: [00:08:57] yeah, man, you said it well, it's so easy to get caught in our, our [00:09:00] bubble of life. And I'm so guilty of that, where it's you, you get that feeling like someone gets put on your mind and you're like, I need to reach out to that person. And then if you, if you just turn away for one set, you check your phone or something, and then all of a sudden it's you get lost on down some path.

[00:09:13] But, uh, yeah, there's, there's really amazing power. And just, even if. If you, sometimes I worry about what to say to people. I'm like, well, I don't really know what they're going through. Right. You mentioned your divorce. It's like, I don't know what to say. So that fear can sometimes keep me from reaching out to, but I've learned to just be able to be like, Hey, Chris, I don't, I don't know what you're going through, but, um, I'm here for you, man.

[00:09:33] That's and that can, that can be enough to, you know, on its own to, to turn around someone's day and does have some, you know, not that we're doing a selfishly, but does have some, uh, changes my mood too. If I'm, if I'm seeking out other people, how do you, how do you remind yourself to do this? Is this a daily practice of, for reaching out to people?

[00:09:50] Do you have, I mean, goals, you set around it, or what's your kind of rhythm and routine for that?

[00:09:55] Christopher: [00:09:55] Yeah, I want to just touch on one thing. You said that before that question, because [00:10:00] it's really important. And if anybody's listening or watching, this is, it is definitely the fear of, well, I don't really know what they're going through. I'm not really sure how I should respond or what should I say? But when you genuinely connect with someone, just like you said, Hey, Chris, not really sure what you're going through, but we'll let you know, man, I'm here.

[00:10:17] If you need anything that in itself is so much better than. Going on and on, or trying to really overstate something you don't know about or, you know, fake it till you make it. So I just wanted to touch on that. Cause I think it's, it's super encouraging and it's, it's really genuine when someone just reaches out and says, Hey, man, don't know what you're going through.

[00:10:36] Or, Hey, I heard about this really, really, sorry. You know, if there's anything you can do, you know, I got your back. We, you and I connected with somebody. Uh, we talked about before, who randomly lost his younger brother out of the blue and. We literally had a phone call scheduled and he just sent me an email and I just called and left a message.

[00:10:55] And I didn't know what to say. I've never lost my younger brother. So it wasn't no [00:11:00] thing where I had something magical to say, but I just reached out to him and I said, Hey man, I. I don't know what to say. I don't know what you're going through, but I just want you to know that right now you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.

[00:11:10] And cause he was like, I'll, I'll reach out to you when things, and I was like, dude, I was like, this is the last thing I was like, whether it's a week, a month a year. But, and, and again, I didn't overthink it, but. I definitely didn't know what I was going to say. And I just went ahead and did it. Um, but question get back on point is, is I attract everything in regards to just what I do personally, professionally and Jesse Itzler was on one of Steve Weatherford's programs early on.

[00:11:35] And he talked about, I think it's the three and three, I think is what he calls it. But he checks in same type of thing with three people a day. And I adopted my connect five and I know it's kind of cliche, but I try to connect with five people. Five random people in the sense of not somebody I'm working with, not a client, it could be in the sense of in the past, but just five people.

[00:11:55] And what I usually do is I usually pick my phone up and I'll go through either [00:12:00] my contacts or sometimes just social media. Yeah. And I'll be like, Oh, you know what? I haven't reached out to Dave in a while. Let me just check an, and it's just, it's just a genuine message. Like, Hey Dave, hope you and your wife are doing well.

[00:12:10] You know, I know it's crazy times, but heading into holidays and hopefully we can jump on a call or something like that. And I track it from the perspective of just. Making sure that I'm, I'm doing it because I believe, like you said, when you go about doing it for the right reasons, it also comes back to you tenfold, which is kind of, which is kind of crazy.

[00:12:27] Cause that's not why you do it, but when you do it for the right reasons, you ultimately end up feeling better yourself.

[00:12:34] Dave: [00:12:34] Yeah. And that, that selflessness is just doing it without expecting anything in return and just doing it to check in on people, because I've been on the, you know, early on in business, you, you read now these books and it's like a reach out to people. Cause they'll, there'll be the ones that can connect you and raise you up.

[00:12:48] So you're, you're doing it for the wrong reasons and no wonder. People weren't getting back to me or you weren't building solid relationships because I was going in with an expectation of like, well, what reached out to the people? That's like, well, what can I, what can I get in return for this [00:13:00] first genuine, just starting to like pour into people and be like, Hey, I think like, I, I saw this, this happen thinking about you.

[00:13:05] And there's a lot of power in that.

[00:13:08] Christopher: [00:13:08] Yeah, I love it. I love the way you worded it because it's so true. I think anybody that's been in any entrepreneurial space. It doesn't matter how many great books you read, doesn't matter how many amazing podcasts. Unfortunately, you have that sales perspective because you're starting a business. Unless, you know, somebody has just unlimited funding, which I don't know anybody that's had that you're on the grind.

[00:13:29] And unfortunately, You're out there and you have that used car salesman, almost like smell people like, Oh, here comes Dave. Like, he's going to try it and you don't do it on purpose. So it's not like you have a checklist. And you're like, okay, going through first name's D like, Oh, call Dave and see what I can sell him.

[00:13:44] It's you're reaching out and you're trying to do it. But when you take away from. The mindset and you change you change narratives and saying, okay, I'm just going to introduce myself to Dave and say, Hey dude, I have no idea if you need any of my products or services. But my goal [00:14:00] every week is to get in front of a hundred people and just say, Hey, this is what I'm doing.

[00:14:03] And that's so much different and it's received so differently when, as opposed to it's like, all right, Dave, so, uh, you need any home appliances? No. What about, uh, gym equipment? No. Okay. Windows not like you're like, dude, like. Stop. Like I'm not buying everything from you, so just, and then they stop returning your phone calls.

[00:14:20] It was like, I wonder what, how come Dave's not returning my phone calls.

[00:14:24] Dave: [00:14:24] Yeah. So funny how we even, we intuitively know it it's you get in that position, but I love how you kind of reframe things and having, having goals, having metrics behind it, I think is a great way for people to, you know, not to not to treat the number as the numbers, shouldn't be the only metric, like you're doing it to connect, but having that to help keep you, keep you in line.

[00:14:43] All of a sudden over weeks months, you're connecting with how many people at, at five a day that adds up over time.

[00:14:49] Christopher: [00:14:49] Yeah, I spoke before we run live too. It's building relationships. And I think if you build that quality relationship, eventually something good's going to happen, whether it's [00:15:00] to you or somebody else in your circle, because people know like, and trust you. And they respect the fact that you actually called without like, Okay.

[00:15:08] Can I come tomorrow at two or, uh, you know, Monday through eight and you're like, okay, like, dude, you're trying to sell me the entire time, like relax. But when you, when you genuinely connect with somebody and you aim with that relationship first that's when I think the sales and referrals and all other stuff come tenfold down the road because people know that you're genuinely trying to connect with people.

[00:15:29] Dave: [00:15:29] And do you have any tips on, uh, I don't want this. I'm trying to not make this sound weird on becoming genuine. Cause I know for some, for some guys listening, especially it's hard to. See other people have success. It's like, I want to connect and relationship. I w I love the idea of if I lift someone else up that will eventually come back and help me, but it doesn't help me right now.

[00:15:48] And some people get a little envious. Some people get jealous. Do you have any strategies or things that things to speak on, and that sense of becoming more genuine and not becoming so, you know, covering up your [00:16:00] hand, close, close fisted with everything.

[00:16:02] Christopher: [00:16:02] yeah. The, the one thing that I talk about kinda. A lot in this, in this space and questions have been asked to me in a few different ways, but we have a, um, a goal or objective in our business it's to deliver first. And I know it sounds super corny, but the, from the genuine perspective is if you try to help someone else first, if you try to make an introduction, if you try to give something first and you genuinely mean it.

[00:16:30] You then stop talking and you don't say, okay, Hey Dave, now that I've introduced you to, to Mike, I was hoping that, you know, this phone goes both ways. So give me somebody right now. That's when people know that, okay, it's not genuine. You know, the only reason Chris was reaching out to me was because, you know, and he quote unquote helped me in wanting to make an introduction, but then it was quickly followed up with.

[00:16:52] But could you do this for me? So I think the, the one thing is, is trying to deliver first. So if I didn't know you well, but I knew your [00:17:00] business per se, and I wanted to get a potential opportunity to talk to you about some of the stuff I'm doing instead of coming with that sale sale sale. Come in and say, Hey Dave, we really haven't gotten a chance to connect.

[00:17:10] I'd love to connect. If it's okay with you, would you jump on my LinkedIn? And why don't you see if there's one or two people that might be able to help you and I can make an introduction to see if it, it benefits your business. I see that you and your wife do XYZ and you know, and if you do that, The other perspective too, is following up.

[00:17:31] So obviously it's not like I'm going to say, okay, go on it now and let's do it together, you know, share. But, but then just reach out in a day or two and say, Hey, Dave's Chris just wanted to, wanted to reconnect. If you've got a chance to check out my LinkedIn, maybe there's one or two people I can help you out with introduction.

[00:17:46] Don't want you to give me a call or shoot me an email. And it's just very simple, but it's genuine. It's it's, I'm looking to help you if there's any introductions and. About the perspective of things come back is maybe it doesn't come back directly to me today [00:18:00] this month, maybe it comes back to a spouse, to a child, to a friend.

[00:18:03] But if you go about doing that and what I love about what you said is the metrics, you know, check on those things and not from a perspective of you go to bed at night and like, Oh, I have, you know, five connections I win, but. You go to bed at night and you look through your day, but then I always plan things out a few days in advance.

[00:18:19] So today's Thursday when we're recording this, if I don't hear back from you by Monday, I'm going to put it into my calendar and reach out to you Monday or Tuesday, say, Hey, Dave, and we connected on Thursday. Just wanted to follow up in regards to my offer about maybe some introductions. If I don't hear from you, you know, I'll give you a shout on Friday.

[00:18:35] Something like that, where, well, not only is he doing it professional way. But he's also genuinely following up when he says he's going to, and that goes a long way because I find that most people never follow up with like 90% of what they say they're going to do.

[00:18:49] Dave: [00:18:49] that's such a good point. And, uh, I think people from the outside might see you as like a natural connector or someone who's, you know, just naturally as a salesperson and connecting. [00:19:00] Cause I think we know those types, but it sounds to me like it's organization and it's, you're very deliberate with. With those interactions.

[00:19:06] Do you have, do you see yourself as kind of a, you know, a natural born, born salesmen and connectors is something that's developed over time for you?

[00:19:14] Christopher: [00:19:14] you? It was funny. My, um, a couple of, I actually run a, uh, networking group locally here in Connecticut, New York, and a bunch of my friends that are in it professionally. They call me the connector. It's like, kind of in my name. And so I don't think from the sales perspective, I'm an, I'm a natural salesman perspective, but I do think that.

[00:19:33] I've always generally connected with people. And one of the things I did ironically, is my best friend played in the NBA for a couple of years. So we used his name for summer camps. He is obviously part of it, but I was running the day to day and we would have upwards of 50 to a hundred kids in our camps.

[00:19:50] And I had a goal every single week is by Monday afternoon. I knew everybody's name. So some of the, some of the counselors wouldn't, couldn't remember kid's name by Friday, but [00:20:00] like Mike, Dave, Jim, uh, Jack, like, is there like a Steven I'm like, that's what I meant, Steven. And what I realized was when you actually say somebody's name and you repeat it back relatively soon after you've met them for the first time, it's almost like.

[00:20:15] Like, they put you at a higher level than most other people. And I didn't know I was doing it. It wasn't strategically because I started running camps and I was 16, 17, and 18. So it wasn't like, I was like, Oh, and 25 years, this is going to be super important. It was just, it became a personal challenge. And then I'd be, I'd meet you once a big day.

[00:20:32] And I remember like, all right, Dave, his name is Dave. And then like an hour later, you'd be doing a drill like Dave, good job. But he wouldn't keep your head up and you look up like, thanks, coach. And then, you know, the girl next to like Jennifer, like, wait, where'd it go. That's great. Pass. And that's what goes about being genuine.

[00:20:46] And that's something that I think people don't realize is actually saying someone's name connecting with them. It goes a long way because most people will get introduced to somebody. And then a minute later the back, you know what I'm saying, Danny, like Steve, like, Oh yeah, Danny, [00:21:00] Dave, whatever. That's fine.

[00:21:00] And not that it's disrespectful, but it's not hard to remember somebody's name.

[00:21:06] Dave: [00:21:06] Yeah. And I think, uh, you know, a lot of parallels with, with sports where it's, you know, it doesn't have to be this grand thing. It doesn't have to be this. I have to type out this long perfect email, or I have to be extremely gifted when I call someone on the phone and leave this voicemail. It just makes them want to call back.

[00:21:20] But it's those little things that add up over time, and those are the things people remember.

[00:21:24] Christopher: [00:21:24] And one other thing I do, uh, is, I mean, I got always, Nope, note pad notebook. I write stuff down all the time. And, and there's a saying out there, I forget who said a quote famous quote is I always tell, I never lie because I don't want to remember like what lies. I told her, something like that. And what I realized was.

[00:21:44] Technology is the worst thing for our memory. So your point, I get to my office back here. I got to call Dave and all of a sudden my phone ring I'll get a text and there'll be like six hours later. I'd be like, Oh, I was supposed to call Dave or I was supposed to end. So what I do is I write stuff down all the time.

[00:22:00] [00:22:00] And I follow through with it that night, the next day, I'll go back to my, in my notebook. And I'm like, Oh, you know what I told David, I was introduced him to, uh, to, uh, you know, my buddy, Danny, like, all right, I got to do it. So then it's because I have written it down and it's not because our memories are bad.

[00:22:14] And that's the thing that people don't realize it. So I have a great memory. It's not about having a great memory, but when things are coming at you, the level of speed they do now with social media, with emails, with phone calls, text message, it's impossible to do multiple things at once. People always talk about multitasking and there's been scientific studies.

[00:22:33] That multitasking is actually the worst thing to do. You're better off taking two or three main things and doing one of them for 20 minutes and then another, for 20 minutes. And. I, I always find it interesting when I work with, with companies and teams and I'll be like, Oh, like multitask and I, I have a fun exercise.

[00:22:49] I do, but it's like how many people can, you know? And like everyone raised their hand. I'm like, all right. I'm like, come up. I'm like, come up here. I was like, have a come and I'll do it. I'll be like, have a conversation with this person on the phone. I [00:23:00] said, and also be texting this person and write an email.

[00:23:02] And they're like, I can't, I'm like. So you just said, you're the most amazing multitask I'm like, go ahead and do it. I'm like, Oh, and drive your car at the same time. And everybody laughs and everybody I'm like, but that's what we're doing. And what you ended up doing is you ended up doing one thing really well and you transfer it into doing two or three or four things really poorly.

[00:23:20] And the end result is what you don't know is. How much of an impact that could have on your business or your, or your personal life? When people like doing the last four times, I talked to Dave he's, um, doing something else. He's talking to somebody else, you know, I'm like Dave, Dave, Dave. So that's the other thing too, is just be focused on what you do and, and take take notes because I don't care how smart you are when your phone vibrates, dings rings, texts, tweets.

[00:23:46] You're it's, it's impossible.

[00:23:49] Dave: [00:23:49] It sounds like you have a system or process for it's right. It's written down and it's reviewed regularly. Cause there's, you know, writing it down is one thing. But if you have post-its in 12 different places [00:24:00] and you don't look at them for two weeks and you see something and then I've been there where I get to the point where I'm like, It's probably too late for me to get back to that person.

[00:24:07] It's been so long that at this point, like it's not even worth it or it's reaching out or where you just have to come with a sincere apology and like, do I totally dropped the ball on this, but, uh, having that, that, uh, organized system and having a process for reviewing it regularly.

[00:24:21] Christopher: [00:24:21] Yes, it's important. I think people that we know and we've spoken to, and, you know, we see on social media, other places, some of them have some of the most insane systems. And what I've also realized is some of those incredibly successful people have some of the most basic systems. It's like the three D's, do it, delegate it, delete it.

[00:24:39] It's it's, it's so simple. But it works. And you know, I'm early on my career out, you know, I, you have an Excel sheet, you have all this stuff. And then all of a sudden I'm sitting with someone who's a you way ahead of me in business world. And I'm like, all right, tell me. And you're like, all right, the three D's. I'm like, wait, that's it.

[00:24:53] I'm like, you don't have a phone in the backup phone and then an Excel and a CRM. Like, no, I have a, you know, my [00:25:00] staff does that, but I have a rules, you know, three D's I either do it. I delegate it or I delete it. I'm like what? And I think the simplicity of a lot of stuff gets by people.

[00:25:11] Dave: [00:25:11] I love, I love making, uh, simple things complex and really, uh, really, uh, my wife can attest to it too. It's like we can make this a little more efficient and you spend hours trying to work on this perfect system. And then you end up back to the same starting point anyways.

[00:25:26] Christopher: [00:25:26] Okay. You spend like three hours and you're really nowhere other than three hours past where you were with really nothing done, but in your mind. And I was just, I did an Instagram live this morning with a buddy of mine. Um, A client money. We're talking just about the same thing as like, are you busy or are you being efficient?

[00:25:44] And it was a really fun conversation. And I said, but here's the thing I said, I went down those rabbit holes early on in my career where I was doing things to stay busy when I wasn't really being efficient and I wasn't being successful. I wasn't being productive, but I was busy where I, you [00:26:00] know, again, I create this insane Excel spreadsheet.

[00:26:02] I'm like, all right, I got every column I got every row I met from ready to go. And then it's like, But there's nothing in it. Like what does it matter if you have the most amazing outside of a car, but you don't have an engine? It's like, yeah, it looks great. Like, people won't take pictures. Like you want to go for retina.

[00:26:16] I can't go for a ride, like, but look at it, take all the pictures you want. And I'm, I'm guilty of that too, is I over-complicate things and I'm way better at it now, but I'm still like on a scale of one to 10, 10 being amazing. I'm probably like a three now and I want to get to a four and then the five and the six.

[00:26:34] Dave: [00:26:34] We're we're so learners, but I love to hear your thoughts on this. I think that's a lot of, that's rooted back to fear though, to some degree, because for me, when I look at it, when I'm, when I'm busy and I don't confront the things I know I really need to be doing, there's either a fear of failure. Call fear of success, a fear of like, Oh, if I really did not have to do these busy work, like there'd be more pressure on me to do the higher level tasks that I should be working on.

[00:26:57] And would you say fear is a big driver? Do you have anything to [00:27:00] add to why people like to be. You know, busy, but not necessarily productive or efficient.

[00:27:05] Christopher: [00:27:05] Yeah, it's, it's definitely fear. Fear is the number one dream killer. It's the number one goal killer fill in the, fill in the blank. And, and it's interesting that you said that it's, it's the fear of failure, but it's also for a lot of people it's and I've uncovered this. By asking some really good open-ended question with my clients.

[00:27:23] It's also the fear of being successful. Some people are afraid. Well, if I get to the six figure number, then. I'm going to have other pressures and then people are going to expect it more often. So if I stay in those say 50 to 75 range, I know that I'm living comfortably and I'm in the top 20% sales in my company.

[00:27:44] And there's really not a manager. Somebody that's gonna say, okay, Chris, now you got to go from 75,000 to $250,000 next year. So I think it's, it's those two things. And I think the other perspective too, who is being able to understand what is your [00:28:00] hot button. So, for example, if, for me, let's say it's the fear of failure, and let's say for you, it's fear of succeeding.

[00:28:07] There are two similar concepts, conceptually, but totally different, different parallels in the sense of how you act, how you respond, how you approach your day and to your point before, is, are you really being productive and efficient or you just staying busy? So whoever's watching, or if somebody is watching, be like, Oh man, Chris is, Chris has been really busy today and I don't remember the quote, but.

[00:28:30] In regards to the basketball. I remember just tracking my stuff, tracking my shots to my, makes my misses so I can see how I can make adjustments. And I, and I was watching a video and the person was talking about, are you being efficient with your time? So for example, do you go out to quote unquote workout for two hours?

[00:28:50] Just so you can say you worked out for two hours or you maximize in those two hours. And I remember then the next followup was, is. If you are in this coach who [00:29:00] was taught, he was a trainer was saying, if you're really in truly maximizing it, you shouldn't be able to work out for two hours at your highest level.

[00:29:08] You look at Kobe Bryan, look at Michael Jordan, look at LeBron James, the best of the best. None of them ever worked out at full exertion for two hours. They have spurts, basketballs, you know, game of spurts, free throws, dead ball, you know, a minute and a half nonstop. But once I realized that it got me really thinking about it and it's something that I tried to do and use it, my clients, but it's, it's hard.

[00:29:31] It's so much harder to do than it is to say

[00:29:35] Dave: [00:29:35] in your experience with coaching your clients or, and I've run into this a little bit personally of when I'm, when I'm busy, it can almost create a little bit of imposter syndrome when people. Recognize that because they're like, man, you're doing, you have a business, you're running your PT business.

[00:29:49] You're putting out all these podcasts, like crazy amount of content. You're putting out, you're on social media. You're putting out these weekly emails and you're doing all these things and I'm like, But I don't feel successful because I'm not always working on it or it [00:30:00] doesn't always lead to the meaningful work.

[00:30:01] I'll set that matter. The most of like what, what impact I'm actually having, like, cool, I'm putting out this content, but some of those things that in some of those things, it's like, okay, what effect does that really have in a, I don't know if you've seen any of that, but that's something that I've struggled with personally.

[00:30:15] Christopher: [00:30:15] Yeah, I love that. And that's a really, it's a really good point because. The imposter syndrome. I think we all deal with it. And similar to you, I run a couple of businesses and I have my podcast and I have other stuff. And I just released a book a few weeks ago and people like, Oh, you did this, you do that.

[00:30:32] And in some ways, and I don't know, maybe you feel this way too, but sometimes you. Look past some of the things you've done because you're not getting the results. So for example, you know, my book's not a New York times bestseller, so maybe I would be like, Oh yeah, it's not a really big deal. And, you know, whatever, like not that it's, it's, you know, the second coming from, you know, thinking grow rich or anything like that.

[00:30:55] But, but imposter syndrome is you then question things and like, well, am I doing this for the [00:31:00] right reasons? Am you know, am I looking busy? And people are saying, well, you're doing all this stuff. But the thing that I, I take it back to is. Is acknowledging that you are being consistent. And I think that's a word that I absolutely love.

[00:31:13] So just to use what you just said is if you're putting out weekly emails and you're putting out content, and if you're putting out podcasts, it's okay to pat yourself on the back and acknowledge that you're being consistent, even though you might not be yielding results that you want. And, and only you can define what the results are.

[00:31:33] Maybe for me, it's a hundred downloads maybe for you. It's 10,000 downloads, whatever it is, but it's okay to acknowledge it. It's not okay to, you know, get that ego and pat yourself on the back all the time. But I think when it comes to that is the word I use. And I sit with my clients all the time is, is just be consistent.

[00:31:50] Be consistent with your message, be consistent with your content, be consistent with when you do it and be consistent with how you do it. And I think if you stick to that, the results [00:32:00] come, the challenge is it never comes quickly enough or quick enough in your mind. The example I use is Facebook.

[00:32:08] Everyone's like, Oh, it was great. It took a long time and it started off, I believe, as the face smashed or something like that before they transitioned and all of a sudden, and now it's, it's this huge entity, but. It's all those hours and things that people do consistently in the time that Zuckerberg and his team did, you know, two, three, four in the morning.

[00:32:26] And no one sees that. Unfortunately, it's, it's the social media facade of, you know, scoreboard watching, you know, sports center is the number one show. When sports are in because it takes the best 15 or 20 seconds of the game. It doesn't show you the hour and a half. That was really boring. It says, Hey, here's the most amazing 15 seconds from this game and you watch.

[00:32:48] And he said, I was awesome. It's like cliff notes for, for sports. Um, but that's the same thing with social media is, and that's why I'm attracted to people that put out the real stuff, you know? And we talked about Steve Weatherford, [00:33:00] you know, he's, he's as real as that common my eyes in the sense of he's talked about the highs, but he's also.

[00:33:06] Way more talking and spoken about the lows and what got him to where he is. And that to me is what stands out with people that are consistently putting out the right message, because it's what they believe and what they want to show for themselves.

[00:33:19] Dave: [00:33:19] Yeah, I love, I love all that Chris and it's being, it's being real. It's being consistent. It's you know, like you said, it's, we're seeing the highlight reels, but you don't see, you don't see MJ taken, you know, thousands and thousands of shots and an empty gym. And. Probably missing, probably missing a fair share of 'em to, to lead up to the big game.

[00:33:35] And it's like, it's, it's crazy that we see that I'm blanking on where the quote comes from. But, uh, I love that. It says we overestimate what we can do in a year and underestimate what we can do in 10. We set these, we set these huge new year's resolutions, and we're like this year at 2021, I'm going to do this.

[00:33:50] I'm going to break these revenue things. I'm going to get in the best shape of my life. And. We we fall short yet. We don't realize that those little steps daily for 10 [00:34:00] years do it daily over decades. And what kind of impact that can have

[00:34:03] Christopher: [00:34:03] there's another quote. Uh, and again, um, um, No DRA draw a blank exactly on, on where I saw it, but it's the whole concept of, of a year in 10 years. And it's broken down to a week is people overestimate what they can do in a week, but they underestimate what they can do in a month. And that's something that I talk a lot with my clients, especially in the sales world is, you know, don't focus on Monday and Tuesday right now, of course, you know, have that be a goal and don't skip through Monday and Tuesday, but.

[00:34:31] Monday and Tuesday, aren't going to lead to 30 days worth of sales, but Monday and Tuesday will lead to Wednesday to Thursday to Friday. And then all of a sudden you do that. And the interesting thing with that too, is I've read and I'm a, I'm a big reader on a bunch of stuff, but I love the I the. Concept of habits.

[00:34:48] I mean, literally anywhere from, and viewers or people watching this, they can literally Google habits and you'll find anything from 10 days to 21 days to 30 days to 60 [00:35:00] days to 90 days. And I love. Reading about that, because everything that I've read, whoever put it out or whatever organization, they're super confident that, you know, 10 days of the magic number, or 21, but it doesn't matter whether it's 21, 10 30, 60, 90, what the common denominator for all that is, is whatever that number is.

[00:35:20] You have to do it for 10 days or 21 days. It doesn't say, you know, to get your habit, you're going to rock it for 21 days or 16 or 17. And, you know, try not to miss more than three days in a row. It says. If you consistently do this for 21 days, you'll establish a habit. Or if you can consistently go to the gym six out of seven days every week by the third or fourth week, you're not going to miss it.

[00:35:42] And that's where people going back to. What I said earlier is that scoreboard watching is they're watching someone's highlights. So if you had a podcast out for two years and I just launched mine, yes, it's perfectly okay for me to emulate your success and maybe even try to get on the phone, call you and say, Hey, Dave, would you walk me through how you got to it?

[00:35:58] It's not a good [00:36:00] idea for me to look at and be like, Well, how's he getting thousands of downloads and I, you know, it's me, my mom, my dad downloaded mine. Like, what is this? And they say, well, take that back a second. How long? Like, Oh, it's my second episode. I'd be like, okay. Dave's been doing this for two years. Like maybe you shouldn't compare yourself.

[00:36:15] And that's the thing that I think I got young kids is I'm hoping that kind of changes a little bit. Social media is it's okay. Like I said, to emulate and look up to people, but it's, it's comparing yourself to other people and especially the people that are here, there's nothing good. That's going to come out from it.

[00:36:31] Dave: [00:36:31] Yeah, I love all that. And I think there's benefit in, you know, you see those numbers. I don't know what the range on habits are. I've seen, like the range is like seven to 360 days versus it's like, okay, cool. That helps a lot, but I'm sure there's a good rule of thumb. Whatever article you're reading, you know, times that by five and like go in with you, expectation that I'm going to have to put this work in for that long, that not looking on the short end for it, but like assume the long end and be willing to, you know, find something that's meaningful enough that you're willing to put that work in for, for that long.

[00:37:00] [00:37:00] Christopher: [00:37:00] I love that. I, uh, one of my all time, favorite books is a 10 X rule by Grant Cardone. And he talks literally about that exact same thing you said is. Anything, he's accomplished, this book was written awhile awhile ago. Well, before he got to the level he has now, but it's something he talks about still to this day is every goal he's achieved.

[00:37:18] It took 10 times the fill in the blank phone calls, meetings, cold calls, knocking on, on businesses. And that's the thing that people don't realize is they typically lower their expectations. Well, you know, I'm not at my goal for this year. Let me just lower it. No, it's you have to do the exact opposite.

[00:37:35] You're not at your goal or your objective. You got a 10 times the, the output you got 10 times. And that's something that I think people miss a lot. When you, when you look at somebody's highlight reel, it's like, well, you know, Dave's got, you know, 10,000 downloads in the last couple of days, I should do that.

[00:37:50] Like, no, you shouldn't like, you haven't even released a single episode, like, well, yeah, but I'm going release it the next week and it's just going to be number one and we're going to be good. And like, no, that's not the way it works.

[00:37:59] Dave: [00:37:59] well, [00:38:00] people want that, uh, people see, you know, someone who's very sought after they're like, well, people are just calling it pretty much, like giving them money, reaching out to them. They want them at their speaking events. And it's like, uh, and I think John Maxwell says this he's there. Like, I want what you have.

[00:38:13] And he's like, Are you willing to do what I've I've done to get there. And that's where most people are not they're like they don't even know what that they don't know the beginning of what that takes to get to the point where we see people at their highlight reel.

[00:38:26] Christopher: [00:38:26] That's that's, uh, that's so true. And I've seen a bunch of different memes and things with that quote from John Maxwell. And that's, that's the same thing in any, you know, fill in the blank, sports business, author, speaker, podcasting, you know, it, people don't want to put in the work a lot of times and it doesn't, and, you know, To preface that is, there's nothing wrong with that.

[00:38:46] There's nothing wrong with, with not being willing to work as hard as LeBron James or Michael Jordan, or, you know, sell 30 million plus books like John Maxwell has. But then on the flip side is if you're not willing to do the work. Then don't chase that person, [00:39:00] scoreboard find somebody else to scoreboard.

[00:39:01] And that's the thing that I think people don't realize is start small again, not a dollar. I'm going to get a dollar in sales, but you haven't started a business yet. Is it really productive in the, does it really make sense to have a goal of making a million dollars your first week in business? I mean, again, I'm not saying the flip side is say, I'd like to make $1, but is there not a middle point somewhere between a million dollars in $1 and that's where.

[00:39:26] I think people also missed the boat a lot with goal setting. And that's something that we do a lot of work with our clients, because if you can't properly set a goal, then having to properly accomplish that goal or track that goal,

[00:39:38] Dave: [00:39:38] Yeah, that's great. I think, uh, I think it's a good reminder for people starting out because, um, I'm all for aiming high and I know you're all for shooting big and we know the importance of coaches and mentors and finding those things. But if you're just, you know, if you, if you never dribble the basketball before you don't have to reach out to the LeBron and be like, Hey, I want to get good at basketball.

[00:39:58] Like where do I start? It's like find [00:40:00] someone, maybe who's, you know, who knows a little more than you and someone that's a little more accessible that can help you with the basics. And as you grow, you need to seek out further for their mentorship and not to just jump to the highest level and be like, okay, tell me everything.

[00:40:13] You know, they're like, Hey man, just get your, get your reps in and start dribbling a basketball and take a couple shots. And then, you know, then come back to me.

[00:40:20] Christopher: [00:40:20] that's an awesome analogy. And I use the term similar that is leveling up, you know, you and John Maxwell has famous quote and does a lot of, you know, Getting to the point of what your lid is. So once you hit your lid and then you want to level up and that's that's, that was an awesome example is, you know, so any viewers or listeners, you know, don't reach out to LeBron, if you've never shot a basketball and secondly, don't expect him to respond.

[00:40:43] Cause he's probably not gonna know. But the flip side of that is, well, maybe start with a high school coach, maybe start with, you know, an AAU coach, a college coach, and then maybe graduate to LeBron. But I think that's the other thing too, going back to that. Scoreboard chasing is, is people look to, and again, it's perfectly okay to [00:41:00] emulate, but it's, it's such a, such a improper thing to try to be that person, you know, 15 minutes after you picked up your basketball the first time, like LeBron can do it.

[00:41:10] Like, why can't I be like, well, you're also 45 years old and you know, five foot, 11 white guys. So maybe the NBA's shouldn't be your ultimate goal.

[00:41:19] Dave: [00:41:19] Yeah, well said, let's talk. I want to talk positivity with you too, especially with your new book out. It's a, it's a word that gets thrown around a lot. I don't think anyone would argue that there's value in, in being positive and not, not being negative yet. I feel like so many guys especially fall into this.

[00:41:34] Negative trap confidence issues, self-worth issues, things that just sort of creep in from, we can call it comparison and we call it society, self pressures. Um, but what is, what does a positive mental attitude mean to you? Or like, how would you phrase that? Because I think people see that and maybe they think of like rainbows and butterflies and like everything's all, all good all the time, but we know that that's not, not, I would assume that's not the case in terms of how you would define it, but do you want to kind of [00:42:00] shed some light on that?

[00:42:01] Christopher: [00:42:01] that's not what it is. That's my definition is just perfect rainbows no, I'm incredibly fortunate to have a relationship with Jon Gordon for those who maybe don't know you. He, I think his most famous book he ever wrote, I believe was the energy bus and he has taken this whole concept and idea of positivity to a really important level.

[00:42:21] And John's been actually on my show a couple of times actually had his wife on my show too, which is cool. But. Jon talks about just like you said, it's not this Pollyanna positivity where everything is great. What he talks about is even during those tough times, even where those days are difficult, it doesn't mean you again, just say everything's wonderful is you acknowledge the challenge, you deal with it.

[00:42:46] But then you attack that challenge, that obstacle with a positive mindset. And it doesn't mean that. It's going to be, you're going to be undefeated. And as soon as you say, okay, I'm going to be positive. Now you just climb through it, but it's [00:43:00] approaching things. And we talk a lot with our clients that PMA, that positive mental advantage.

[00:43:04] And between those six inches between your ears, that's something that everybody can work on. You know, I love basketball, but I'm a five 11 white guy. I'm not going to be, you know, six, eight, like LeBron or six, six, like Jordan overnight. I tried stretching myself when I was little. I did all these things, but.

[00:43:20] What I, where I can be like LeBron or like Jordan is here, my mindset, my approach, the knowledge that I receive, what I take in, and I've become fascinated about five, six years ago with understanding positivity. And a couple of my buddies have said, you know, it's almost like you have a PhD in positivity now because you've studied all this stuff and I laugh and you smile too.

[00:43:42] But you know, if you do something for 10,000 hours, they say you become an expert. And I think I've probably easily put in 10,000 hours over the last five to six years, just learning and not from the perspective of, you know, I want to be the world's expert in like that. But learning from the perspective of when I work with my clients, whether it's sports, [00:44:00] business or just individually, what are those things I can help them with?

[00:44:03] And the one thing I realized pretty early on is I can help them with their positive mindset. I can't help them be a fantastic salesman overnight. I can't help them be the best version of themselves in, in working with me for two days, but I can continually work on those other things while maintaining that positive mindset and Zig Ziglar has a famous quote is a positive attitude.

[00:44:26] Won't get you anything, but a positive attitude will get you anything better then a negative attitude will, and I read that the first time and it kind of glossed over it, but then it's, it's really hit me. And that's the foundation of what we do and how we do things in the sense of really, it's just attacking something with a positive mindset and it's always going to be better.

[00:44:47] You're always going to give yourself a better advantage then having a negative approach, but it doesn't guarantee success, but, but it does guarantee that you have a better chance of doing something and that to your point about, you know, positivity and stuff out there, there's some [00:45:00] amazing people that are just doing some really cool things within that world.

[00:45:03] But I would recommend anybody who has not followed or does not follow Jon Gordon. He's always a really good guy on, on social media, just because. He puts out those positive messages, but he does it in a realistic way. And that's one of the things that I really love because to your point, I think most people assume, you know, rainbows and butterflies and roses, and again, when everything's going great, it's awesome.

[00:45:25] But as we know, just looking back on 2020, it's been a challenging year. I don't care how successful you are. I don't care your age, your demographic it's hit us all. And I've seen a lot of people. That during these difficult times are still maintaining a positive mindset and a positive approach. And I've seen how it's helped them personally and professionally.

[00:45:44] And those are the type of people that I try to emulate. And John puts out some awesome stuff and I'll read his stuff. And, and the other question I get all the time is Chris, are you always positive? And I say, you know, I'll smile. So, yeah. So I've never had a bad day. And then obviously they're like, wait, what?

[00:45:58] And I'm like, no, I was like, [00:46:00] there are days when I don't want to do anything. There are days, especially during this pandemic, but once I kind of get through that, it's all right. Like, Today's going to be good. And there's a famous, famous, a popular meme that's going around. I'm sure you've seen it as is.

[00:46:14] You've made it through a hundred percent of your bad days. And that's one that, especially during my divorce, I was like, all right, like we'll get through this day. And it doesn't mean that you sign a mortgage for, you know, 30 years and everything's gonna be great, but it goes back to something that Jocko, Willink talks about not giving up is like, all right, just don't give up today.

[00:46:31] You know, make it through today. And then deal with tomorrow, tomorrow. And that's something that I think is, is super important as positivity is you're not signing a 20 year contract that you're gonna be PA positive, nonstop, but sign that one day contract with yourself today and say, you know what, whatever comes at me, the next four hours at work, or, you know, dealing with this or that I'm going to, I'm going to get through today with, with a positive attitude and I'll deal with tomorrow, tomorrow.

[00:46:55]Dave: [00:46:55] that's great. Chris, can you talk about the, as you're talking there, you know, you're talking about Jon [00:47:00] Gordon who puts out this good stuff. You, you have this. Internal side of positivity of this external side of positivity. There's the internal side of, I think what's like you said, what's between, between your years, the things you're telling yourself and those, the external of putting out there for other people is there, what's the connection between these two and does it, does it start with one versus the other can, can one fuel the other, can you speak a little more on that?

[00:47:22] Christopher: [00:47:22] Yes. That's a really, it's a really cool question. And I think they can start either or, but what I've found and what I challenge people to do. And what I candidly did a lot during, during my divorce was I made a consistent effort. I said, no matter what, I'm going to put out content. And there were a lot of my friends.

[00:47:42] That didn't know I was going through a divorce because I, first of all, I wasn't publicized publicizing I've I have three young kids and that side, but, but secondly is the thing I share all the time is I look at again, Jon Gordon, John Maxwell, all these, all these people. That are putting out amazing content.

[00:47:59] And it [00:48:00] has an impact on me that morning. That moment, maybe, you know, it gives me a pick me up heading into a meeting or a tough sales call. And I realized that maybe there's an opportunity that something I put out is going to hit somebody it's going to resonate with them. But the flip side is if I'm not feeling my best or I'm not really feeling positive, I'm having a tough morning.

[00:48:18] By just putting something out there. It makes your morning just a little bit better. And that's the thing that I think people have a real disconnect with positivity is it doesn't make that horrible morning instantaneously. Amazing, but it takes that morning. That's here really not to go on it and maybe down to here.

[00:48:36] And then the flip side is. If and when somebody comments or someone sends you a DM or text message, Hey, just wanted to let you know. That was a really, that was really powerful quote today. You know, I had a tough morning. Thanks for sharing. It doesn't make you feel better that someone was also having a bad morning, but it makes you feel better to sense when you, when you acknowledge the fact that you know what, there are people that are going through challenges as well.

[00:48:59] And I [00:49:00] wasn't the only one that had had a rough morning this morning, but because I went ahead and put out that content or released the podcast or made that phone call, that person felt a little bit better. And going back to what we said early on in the conversation, ultimately, you feel better. So one doesn't need to go before the other, but I think they're, they're they go hand in hand and.

[00:49:19] It's like working out. I don't know anybody that, that finished a fantastic workout and they, they feel good. And they, their first response is, Oh, I wish I didn't do that. It's always, when you get done this, and man, I feel better that I'm done. And that's the same thing with, with positivity is you feel better when you spread it, you feel better when you do it.

[00:49:37] And to use a word that. We touched on early in this conversation, it's genuine you and I know people that put out stuff just for a response versus people that put out stuff because it's consistent, right? If you put out one or two messages out of 50, you know, 48 out of 50 really don't fall in that line.

[00:49:53] But if you're consistently putting out stuff, that's uplifting people who say, wow, that's really impressive. I got it's [00:50:00] consistency and consistency wins.

[00:50:02] Dave: [00:50:02] I love that. And is that, is that in line with the, when with the tribe you talk about, is that in line with putting out there and spreading it for other people and being vulnerable and open and connecting with other people? What's, what's the tribe piece of positivity.

[00:50:14] Christopher: [00:50:14] Yeah, I think, I think it's, it definitely goes hand in hand. And, and when you have those people, going back to the quote we shared about, uh, Jim Roan is you are the average of the five people you spend the most time with. If you're putting that stuff out in, in, within your tribe. What you'll see is one or two people will resonate.

[00:50:31] And then the next day or two days down the road, one person or a couple people say, Hey, Chris, did you see this quote? Like, Oh, I saw this. I thought of you. And like, attracts, like, so as you're putting out those positive messages and things, it comes back to you. It comes back to the group, to your tribe, to your family.

[00:50:47] No, you sit down at the dinner table at night with your family. And all you talk about are the bad things. That's, what's just going to resonate like, Oh, that, that, Oh, where do you hear what happened to me? As opposed to you sit down and say, Hey, I want everybody to [00:51:00] share something really fun to happen today.

[00:51:02] And now all of a sudden you're, you're having a fun conversation. It's uplifting. It doesn't mean that it takes away the day. And if you had a really rough day, all of a sudden you're like, Oh, nothing happened bad. Everything's perfect. But you feel a little bit better. And then you share, well, you know what?

[00:51:16] It was a really difficult day, but you know, Co-worker, you know, bought me a cup of coffee and now all of a sudden you're like, all right, it was a difficult day, but there also were some, some positive moments as well. And that's something that I think people could do more is at night or the next morning is go back to your day or the prior day and say, Hey, you know, let me see some of the successful wins I add in and it's, and it's good to do that because in today's day and age, I think we often overlook those and focus on things that didn't go well.

[00:51:44] Dave: [00:51:44] and how long should we try? And, you know, I don't, I don't want to call out and say negative people in our life, but, but people that are down, people are going through tough times. How long is it? You're trying to bring someone up versus at some point when's the, you know, cause this is always a tough [00:52:00] question that comes up is it's like, we don't want to cut people out of our lives and I don't.

[00:52:04] I don't think we're saying that you need to completely remove people out of your lives that are important in your life, but like, where's the, where's the balance with that of trying to, because we do want to lift the people up. We, we love and we care about and our friends and, but at some point, when does that negativity weigh on us?

[00:52:18] And what's the, what's the balance with that?

[00:52:21] Christopher: [00:52:21] Yeah, that's, that's a really, really cool question. And if something happened to share a quick story in my life, there was somebody within our circle that. Was going through a tough time and I just couldn't connect with that person. You know, it's not like I was my goal every day was like, all right, make Dave happy, like make Dave smile five times, but continually checking in continually, Hey, you know, check this podcast.

[00:52:42] I don't have time for okay. Like, Hey, you want to grab her again? I wish I could, but I got to do this. And there's no specific time where it's like, all right, Dave gets, you know, 21 days and then he's dead to me. But what a friend shared with me using this example that that happened to me is she said to me, Chris, I know you don't want to [00:53:00] hear this, but I don't think now's the right time for this person.

[00:53:04] And I didn't want to hear it because, you know, I'm overly positive and I felt that he needed this in his, in his personal life, but she sent him to me and she said, you know, you shouldn't cut him out all the time, but she said, Chris, until he's ready. And he wants to hear some of the stuff and he, and he's willing to, he said, it doesn't matter what you put out there.

[00:53:24] And. It hit me and my, a good friend of mine is going through a really difficult divorce right now. And I'm able to help him now because I've gone through some stuff. And for the first few weeks of it, he wasn't ready. He wasn't willing to, to listen. And what I did was I, I. Tailored down the, the contact a little bit.

[00:53:45] Wasn't like, you know, I had a, you know, a specific calendar, like, alright, you know, every, you know, 14 days, but it was instead of every day, every other day, it turned out to every three or four days. And eventually he came back, but there's no magic number, but it's one, it becomes a [00:54:00] chore and you, and you receive nothing back and you realize that.

[00:54:03] There's no hope that's when you unfortunately have to cut some people loose and it's not to where, you know, you cut them loose where it's like, all right, Dave's now out of my cell phone, he's blocked, but it's, you know, I'll check in with him. You know, it was, birthday's the end of November. I'm going to reach out to him, but it's like, you know, I'm not going to continually do that because it's not the right time.

[00:54:22] And that's the thing that I have a tough time. Because unless someone wears a sign on their head that says, Hey, you know, call me back in December. You don't always know. And that's, that's a really good question. And it's really hard to answer because everybody's different, but when it becomes a chore and you're not getting anywhere and it's been a week, two weeks, three weeks, that's when you need to.

[00:54:42] Kind of have that tough conversation with yourself or maybe them and just say, look, the last thing I want to do is ruin this friendship, but I'm at the point now where I feel that I'm overstepping my boundaries. So if it's cool with you or unless you tell me something different, like I'm going to just tailor it down a little bit and you know, I'll reach out in a couple of weeks, but you know, please know that I'm here if you need [00:55:00] anything, but I don't want to feel like I'm pressuring you.

[00:55:02] And if you do that genuinely, I think nine and a 10 times, you'll probably get a positive response where they're going to say. One of two things. One, no, you know, please keep doing that. Or, you know what, I appreciate that. Like it's a rough time. Like let's let me get through the holidays and we'll, and, but then, you know, it, it it's about the communication side.

[00:55:20] Now, all of a sudden, you, you have a better grasp of that as well.

[00:55:24] Dave: [00:55:24] No, I think that's really well said. I don't want to put you on the spot with being like, well, there's this algorithm you have to follow and just plug it in. And that'll, that'll tell you exactly how to handle these complex human relationships that we have. But I appreciate sharing that. And I like how you said, you talked about throttling down that.

[00:55:38] You know the frequency at times in terms of reaching out to people. If, if they're not responding and giving them a little more space, do you ever have to throttle down the intensity on the dial to with, with positivity? If, if someone's at say a, a two on positivity and if we can, if we're coming in the room as tens all the time, I think that can be a little, uh, turn offish for people and, and might not have the effect we want.

[00:55:57] Can you talk about how to, how to move the [00:56:00] intensity dial on that too?

[00:56:01] Christopher: [00:56:01] Yeah, it's funny. You ask that because I'm a 4:00 AM gym guy and I'm not a coffee guy. I'm definitely an energy drink guy, but I wake up and once I'm up, like, it's go time and I'll go to the gym and there are people I'm like, let's go. And you're just like, dude. You're at a 10. I need you at like a one because I'm going to smack you in the face.

[00:56:21] If you come at me like that, and it's the same thing with positivity, but it's also the same thing to anything really. And the thing that I, that I share, the best analogy I give is I coached basketball at a pretty high level. And I trained some, some college and professional players. What I realized going from that level down through high school is it doesn't matter how talented that person is.

[00:56:44] It doesn't matter how. They're the best player, the best scorer, the best defensive player. What I realized from trial by error and sometimes more error than a successfully is people you need to connect with people differently. And what I mean by that is there are those guys that you can get in [00:57:00] their face.

[00:57:00] Like Dave, like you'll pick it up. Like you're not, and maybe that's how you resonate. You're like, I got you coach. And the flip side of guys, like, you know, you got to smack them on the back and be like, David you're here. Like, you know, you want to take, uh, you know, on a sub you off for a couple minutes, you know, That's what you need to do as opposed to yelling at you.

[00:57:16] And that's what I realized early on is the same thing with, with positivity is there are people that need and want that level 10 positivity. And, and I have a bunch of friends where like, they'll reach out to like, dude, you need a positive quote or like, Hey, I have the biggest sales meeting today, you know, could you, could I give you a call a couple minutes before?

[00:57:34] And that's when I know like, all right, you need a little bit of rara, but on the flip side is there's the people that. What you don't know. And I don't know it was what could have happened to them that morning or that night, you know, maybe they're dealing with something. And especially during this, this pandemic and this election we got going on is there are a lot of people that are stressed and they don't, you don't always need to be at level 10 in a day.

[00:57:54] And it's not just positivity. It's it's level 10, anything. And you know, it could be like, you're just not there physically [00:58:00] you're drained. And the last thing you want to do is go to the gym. So if I come at you like Dave, like, dude, you ready? Like Fort? And you're like, dude, like I haven't slept in three nights.

[00:58:07] I have the biggest presentation tomorrow. Like. You can just pound salt with your gym. And the other thing too, though, is, is being willing to communicate with people and read people. And that's the biggest thing I've found. That's challenging is again, going back to the basketball analogy is. You typically don't know, five minutes in a knowing somebody alright, I can yell at Dave.

[00:58:26] I need to be quieter with him, but he's more of a guy who wants to conceptually this guy's he's like, dude, you set the pick and you run it. Okay, cool. Got you. You know, the other players, you need to go over four and five times to explain them so they fully understand, but it's the communication. And it goes both ways.

[00:58:40] What I realized is I can't communicate at you successfully. I can only communicate with you successfully. And that's something that. I think I definitely didn't fully understand as a coach. You're like, this is how you do it, Dave. Like you got you good. And you're like, no, I don't have it. I'm like, well, get out there and do it.

[00:58:55] And then, you know, you make fewer mistakes and I'm like, what's going on? And you're like, coach, I don't [00:59:00] understand. I'm like, what do you mean? You don't understand? We went through it three times. You're like, no coach, you yelled it at me three times and I didn't get any of it. So. You know, that's, that's the thing I realized is you can't communicate at somebody.

[00:59:10] It never works, but you can communicate with them. And that's something that I still, I still find to be challenging in a fun way, because I'm like, all right, Dave and I are not connecting. Let me see how I can connect with Dave a little better. And it's being open to ask sometimes that tough question, but it's also being open to receive sometimes a tough answer or maybe an answer that you didn't expect.

[00:59:32] Dave: [00:59:32] yeah, so much good stuff in that last little, little bit. And I, I love the communication app versus uh, with someone. And I think if we're trying to inspire change too. For me letting go with, uh, the outcome of it, I think is so much, it's like, well, I want, I see it in my head. This is the outcome I want this person to take.

[00:59:48] And you lead, you try and lead, force it into it. And it, and it just, it doesn't work versus someone might just need, you know, you might have to, in the gym example, it might, instead of being like, Hey, let's go, let's go to the gym. Just being like, I'm [01:00:00] going to gym today. If you want to come, I'm heading out in 10 minutes and saying that every day to them.

[01:00:03] And they might say no a hundred times, but again, it gets back to the consistency and showing up of maybe that's how that person needs to, it needs to hear it.

[01:00:11] Christopher: [01:00:11] that's fine. I've had some people as similar to that. It's like, all right, dude, like, I'm going to come to the gym with you today. Just so if I do, will you stop asking me like, all right, like at least the pneumonia I of got, I got one victory for that, for that one.

[01:00:23] Dave: [01:00:23] Yeah, that was great. Uh, any other, any other like positivity, you know, practical things. I know people love that. The practical things, I know there's a lot that goes into it, but any other, you know, daily, daily routines, things that, that people can, can take and run with from, from a positivity standpoint.

[01:00:39] Christopher: [01:00:39] Yeah, I, you know, it's interesting the word I'm gonna use. And I, and I know, you know, it is, is gratitude and something that I've. I actually got from, uh, the book man up by Bedros, uh, Cooley is in there. He was talking about a time in his life and he took a timeout and basically he asked himself, what am I grateful for right now?

[01:00:59] And I read that book for [01:01:00] the first time. Actually, I bought it, I think in early 2019, but I read it for the first time, two months ago, it was sitting on one of my shelves and I don't know, I think it was just the cover of man up. I was like, all right, I'm going to, I'm going to read this, but I started writing that and.

[01:01:13] Literally it, my journal, I have it written down. I have it in my planner. I have it written in my office, a couple of places on the walls. What am I grateful for right now? So the practical habit I say all the time is when you're feeling down. When you feel you need some positivity, maybe it's too early in the morning or too late to connect with somebody.

[01:01:30] And you don't want to go down the rabbit hole of social media, YouTube asking yourself the question, what am I grateful for right now? And honestly, and genuinely answering it. If you're a true with yourself, it doesn't matter who you are. Doesn't matter. Who's listening to this or watching this. We all have something, if not two, three or four things to be grateful for.

[01:01:49] So maybe you're not living in the home that you want, but you have a whole, you have a home here, you have shelter, you have a warm place. And when it's cold, you have air conditioning. And when it's, when it's hot and [01:02:00] yes. Is it what you want is your ideal home? No, but by turning that around, It has a positive impact on, on your mood, on your attitude on your day, on your morning, on your evening.

[01:02:10] And that's something that I would say to any, any listeners is just think about some of those things that you can be grateful for. And if you're at a two out of 10 with positivity, It's guaranteed to take you to a three, maybe from a two to a four, and think about if you compound those over a week over two weeks.

[01:02:27] And it's something that I do every single day in the morning and evening, I have a morning and evening routine, but I also do it. Like I said, I have, I haven't written a bunch of places. I'm a huge. Post-it note, I have played all over the place on my, in my car, but I've written that down probably 10 times, 10 different places.

[01:02:45] What am I grateful for right now? And it's a simple answer. It could be something like, Hey, you know what? I'm grateful that Dave gave me the opportunity to be on his podcast. And whether I'm having a great day, a good day or an average day, I'm going to feel a little bit better, but you know what? He could have asked somebody else, or he could have said, Oh, I'll get [01:03:00] back to me in a month.

[01:03:00] But I'm grateful that I'm here and I feel better than having not had the opportunity to do this.

[01:03:07] Dave: [01:03:07] and again, it comes back to that selfless thing, too, of being able to, you know, who knows the one person listening to this that needs to hear the message in a certain way and not, uh, not going into it like a man, what am I getting? How am I gonna say this? What am I going to get from this? But like, how can I, how can I give to whoever's whoever's listening and just put out content that we hope they need to hear at the time.

[01:03:26] Christopher: [01:03:26] no that's and that's, that's the thing that I love too is cause you never know what somebody's going through and you never know what they need to hear. And that's my goal, literally, with every. Interview I do myself or my podcast, or I do as a guest is, is positively impact one person, somebody hopefully listening to this is going through a challenging day, dealing with some, some obstacle in their, in their personal professional life and something that you and I said, spark them to keep going or spark them to say, you know what?

[01:03:52] Like. I am having a tough time, but you know what, as soon as this is over, I'm going to write down five things I'm grateful for, or you know what? I'm going to pick up my phone and I'm going to [01:04:00] connect with three people today and just say, Hey want you to know that  I'm thinking about you, Dave. Hope you have an awesome Thursday.

[01:04:05]Dave: [01:04:05] I love it. I know we need to start to wrap up here, but a quick note on the gratitude too. I do think there's power in writing that down. I know you kind of mentioned too. You're a big, big notes guy, but yeah. Something about getting out of our head. And once we start getting pen to paper, I think there's some powerful things that can happen with that because when I just try and think about what I'm grateful for, again, the distractions come in, the negative thoughts come in, being able to force yourself to write it down.

[01:04:25] I think there's, that's a little extra thing. If someone's struggling with it, just, just start writing some things down, can help with that too.

[01:04:32] Christopher: [01:04:32] Yeah. You know, that's a, that's a fantastic point you make, and, and there've been a bunch of studies with what you just said is pen to paper. And I think the one thing I find interesting is people say, Oh, you know, my phone, I do it all. And I use my phone just like you do for, for so many things. But if you type what you're grateful for into your notes section, or you put it somewhere.

[01:04:52] Science has proven it's very different than when you take an actual pen and you write it down. And for me, [01:05:00] you remember you think about it, but as a different thing is when you're, when you have a pen and a journal or notepad. There's nothing that's going to vibrate or ding or light up in your pan. I mean, maybe you have a special pen, but you know, that's and people, when I, when I say that and I share that a lot from stage people, they do this like, ah, and I said, think about that.

[01:05:18] You can be writing the most amazing message to your mother, to your spouse, to your kid. And all of a sudden you get two or three text messages and all of a sudden it doesn't matter how great you are, how focused you are now that becomes secondary to what you're like. Oh, that's interesting. But if you write it down, You're not going to get distracted, maybe just distracted by something out there, but nothing's going to jump off your, your paper, your pen.

[01:05:38] And I love, and I've I've journals from like 10 years ago.

[01:05:43] Dave: [01:05:43] do you re do you go back and review them or do you just have them there to.

[01:05:47] Christopher: [01:05:47] No, that's I love that question. I lead a mastermind on a Tuesday evenings and that's, that was one of our topics that came up is going back. And I said, I don't, I don't have like a set schedule. I'm like, all right, I got to read [01:06:00] 2019, you know, January 1st, but I'll go back randomly. And the reason I go back randomly is selfishly is for quotes and things I want to use in podcasts or speeches.

[01:06:11] But also I always find a couple people that, Oh, you know what, like. I have not, I have not spoken to Dave in a while. And for me it's fun because it's almost like reading a book for the first time, because I've no idea what I, what I wrote in my journal in 2018. But, but every single time I look back at one, I get a person, I get a quote, you know, think about a book like, Oh, you know what?

[01:06:31] Like, I should probably reread that. So there's, there's so much value in those types of things, but it's not about doing it all the time and it's scheduling all. You have to do it, but it's just, it could be a Saturday could be just pick one. I brought one home. Maybe four or five months ago during the pandemic, just, I picked one random from my stack and it was really cool.

[01:06:49] I got a bunch of stuff out. I'm like, Oh man, like that's an awesome quote. And I actually shared two quotes from that on, uh, some of my podcasts.

[01:06:57] Dave: [01:06:57] That's awesome. Yeah, I've uh, I [01:07:00] haven't gotten back into, I just got back into journaling recently again, and I can't believe I get away from it every time I do. I'm like, I don't know why I do, but I need to make it a habit to review it as soon. And I need to write a little neater too, so I can actually go back and sense.

[01:07:13] Makes sense of what I writing.

[01:07:14] Christopher: [01:07:14] You're like, what is a fish ship? I don't

[01:07:17] Dave: [01:07:17] something about a fish that day. Yeah. Well, Chris, this has been great, man. And, uh, you know, that, I think the practical, the practical takeaways from it, the positivity, the, you know, the things we talk about of, I mean, you mentioned things like delivering first consistency and simplicity with just showing up with it. I love things even like making a one day contract with yourself and not comparing to other people's scoreboards is, I mean, so many notes I took down as we were, we were talking here and I think there's some great practical takeaways people can, can have and run with. But I also, you know, when I created this show and you've already been super vulnerable and I appreciate that, but wanting it to be more than just about the practical takeaways and the X's and O's of how to be successful or how to.

[01:07:59] And, you know, be [01:08:00] a successful man, but people can look from the outside and we talked about imposter syndrome. We talk about comparison. It's easy to look around and see a life of someone who's a dynamite speaker and you have your podcast. You're crushing with successful businesses. And, uh, from the outside it's people can see on social media, like they said, they see your highlight reel in there.

[01:08:19] They're saying like, man, this guy's, this guy's clicking. And I know you've, you've been open about your divorces is one thing that's been a struggle for you. And I don't know if you want to elaborate on that or some other challenge that you face as a man, but wants this to be a vulnerable space where guys can see that like, Hey, I like we're struggling to, both would be the first to admit that our journeys have not been easy and smooth and, without any bumps.

[01:08:40] So what's, uh, what's some encouragement you can give for someone maybe going through a similar situation or another challenge you face that you can be in, have some encouraging words for, for someone listening.

[01:08:50] Christopher: [01:08:50] Yeah, I, I appreciate that. And I thank you for, for those kind words. I always have tried to be. The real me all the time. And, and [01:09:00] there was a time that I didn't talk about the divorce when it was literally in the weeds of it, just because I didn't know what was going to come about. And I didn't want to share some of that stuff.

[01:09:09] But what I realized was it goes, it goes back to the, to the thing I said earlier, and encouraging words I would say is we all have struggles. We all have challenges, whether it's personal professional, whether it's with friends, whether it's, you know, your diet, you're working out, fill in the blank. But the one thing that really stood out to me and it really helped me.

[01:09:30] And if, if people take one thing, maybe it's, this is what you shared is, is make, make that one day contract with yourself. And what I mean by that is it's 10:00 AM in the morning and you have to go to court it's 10:00 AM. And you have to go to your, to your sales manager, knowing that you completely flopped or lost that, that big client make that one day contract with yourself and say, I'm going to get through today.

[01:09:55] I've made it through a hundred percent of my most challenging days I'm [01:10:00] going to make it through today. And I'm going to make that promise within that one day contract with myself, that I'm going to approach whatever else comes or whatever is coming in front of me with a positive mindset. And I'm going to be as positive as I can.

[01:10:12] So it's not that fictitious, you know, just flip the switch and be like, everything's amazing, but it's saying, okay, I have to deal with this client or this spouse or child. I missed the game, whatever it is. I'm going to approach it with a positive mindset. I'm going to really try to do the best I can today.

[01:10:29] And if you make that one day contract with yourself today, the likelihood of you making another one day contract with yourself tomorrow is so much higher than saying, okay, I'm going to make a hundred day contract with myself right now. So take it down into those small victories. And what happens is momentum.

[01:10:45] Has a positive way or also has a negative way. So you missed the gym one day and then you missed the gym two days, but it's the flip side is you make that one day contact with yourself and now all of a sudden you go through. The other thing I want to share with, with anybody out there [01:11:00] is, is. You don't know what somebody else is going through, unless he or she tells you, Hey Dave, I'm, I'm struggling.

[01:11:07] My wife and my husband just filed for divorce. So I just lost my job. Or, you know, we just lost, you know, lost a baby premature, whatever, you know, there's, there's crazy things people deal with. If you go about your day to try to positive impact one person with zero expectations in return, you're going to do it today.

[01:11:26] You're going to do it tomorrow. You're going to do it the next day. And if you do that, it's going to have a profound impact on your day, on your mood, on your attitude, you do something nice for somebody. Two, o'clock driving home from work at 5:30. You're going to walk in the house with your spouse or your kids.

[01:11:43] And you're going to have a little bit of a, you know, a hop on your step. Again, it doesn't mean that everything's perfect, but it just it's, it's impossible to do something nice to be generous. And then all of a sudden to just, you know, flip the switch. So hopefully those, those two things help, but there are things that.

[01:11:58] Really, it helped me. And, and I [01:12:00] think if, if we go about doing them and the last thing would be just, just look at gratitude a little bit differently, you know, it's, it's not easy. It's not simple. We all don't have everything we want, but we all have something that somebody else wants and somebody else aspires to.

[01:12:14] And if we want to get other things and achieve other things, you first have to be grateful for and appreciate what you do have.

[01:12:21] Dave: [01:12:21] Absolutely love that. Appreciate you sharing that. And I, I think also reminding people, it's it, it's a process as people can see. It's not a, I do gratitude once I do positivity once and it, all of a sudden things are better. It's you gotta, you gotta put in the work, the same things we've been talking about day in, day out.

[01:12:36] Christopher: [01:12:36] Now it's consistency is huge and that you can't be super positive for like an hour in a row and be that guy that can be a jerk for the next two weeks, because on Thursday I was awesome, no it's, it's gotta be consistent then. And the other thing too is you can't. You can load up onto it one day or, you know, it's not like you crush it for a six hour workout and you're like, all right, I'm not working out for the next week.

[01:12:55] If, if that's the way it works, please, somebody let me know, because I need to figure that out.

[01:13:00] [01:12:59] Dave: [01:12:59] Yeah, so true. And uh, so Chris, last hypothetical question to ask all my guests here, before we wrap up and you weren't prepped for this, so we'll get a nice candid answer for it. And so we'll say you'll leave in the leaving. Your 4:00 AM workout. You're heading out the gym. You run into your younger self of 10 years back and younger.

[01:13:14] Chris asking you for some life advice, looking for some, some guidance you're onto a full day with, with clients and seeing your kids. You can't, can't miss that. You got 60 seconds to talk with them. What, what advice are you given to them and what are you saying to them?

[01:13:27] Christopher: [01:13:27] Yeah. That's that's an awesome question. I ask similar question. Uh it's. It would be, and I've I've shared this before is, is embrace positivity and gratitude at an earlier age. And when you appreciate what you do have what you appreciate, who you do have, what you appreciate, those opportunities that you do have.

[01:13:45] It just changes things. And then going back to that, John Gordon quote is I would tell myself it doesn't matter what you're going through, but try to approach every obstacle, every challenge, and even every amazing opportunity with a more positive attitude. [01:14:00] And I think if you, if we all did that gratitude and that positive perspective from an earlier age, I think would be further along in certain ways, it doesn't mean that you're not successful, but.

[01:14:10] I love those two things. And the other thing I always say is, I wonder if my 10, 10 years ago today would listen. That's always the other challenge too,

[01:14:17] Dave: [01:14:17] Yeah, I guess the things happen for a reason. If it goes in one ear and out the other, at least, at least you tried right.

[01:14:23] Christopher: [01:14:23] as least you tried. I love that.

[01:14:24] Dave: [01:14:24] Yeah, Chris. This was an absolute blast out. Where, where can people find yet about the book? Tell us about the book, the podcast, social media, where people can reach out to you and find your stuff.

[01:14:34] Christopher: [01:14:34] I appreciate it. So a website is a no quit The book is called the positivity tribe. You can find it anywhere books are sold, or you can also go to the positivity I share my personal email all the time. And the reason being is I love connecting with people. So it's [email protected] and from a social media perspective.

[01:14:55] The most active place we are is, is Instagram. And it's no underscore [01:15:00] quit underscore living. But again, Chris said, no, quit would love to connect with anybody. And I love hearing stories about positivity. I love receiving quotes. So any positive stories or quotes, send them on over.

[01:15:12] Dave: [01:15:12] Yeah. And, and you're not just a, you're not just preaching it, you're practicing it. And I've, I see that, you know, in the, in the Slack channel where in our conversations we've had, you know, I, I love your positivity, it's contagious and I appreciate it. And we'll link up all the, uh, all the things in the show notes for those looking to get ahold of you.

[01:15:26] But Chris, I really appreciate taking the time out of your day to come on and share that with our listeners.

[01:15:32] Christopher: [01:15:32] No, I appreciate it. And thank you again for the opportunity. I'm always extremely grateful and blessed and, uh, I think you do a fantastic job. So if anybody on my list is right and you're listening to this show for the first time, make sure you subscribe, give it a five star review and pass it along to somebody else because there's somebody out there and need some positivity today.

[01:15:50] Dave: [01:15:50] really appreciate that, Chris. Thanks again, man.

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