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Men Made For More Podcast Episode 156: Using Core Values to Lead Your Family and Business with Lindsey Paczkowski

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Do you have values written down that you live by and make decisions off of? Many people write up core values just to ‘check the box’ - because it’s something we’re supposed to do. But how do you go about creating transformational core values that truly lead and guide your family or businesses vision and mission? I brought on my beautiful wife Lindsey to talk all about that today. If you’re looking for more clarity, better decision making, and a better culture in your home or business - listen up.


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Men Made For More Podcast Episode 156: Using Core Values to Lead Your Family and Business with Lindsey Paczkowski

[00:00:00] Dave: Hey there mighty man. I'm your host, Dr. Dave Paczkowski founder of Men Made for more coaching, our business helps husbands love up there. Their leadership and their legacy in marriage and in business. The purpose of this podcast is to bring together like-minded men that feel destined for big things in their life and provide you the resources and community that you need to lead yourself, your family and your business.

[00:00:30] If you've ever felt overwhelmed, frustrated, lost quite alone on your journey to a better and more purposeful life. You're in the right. You weren't designed to be average. So it's time to quit living that way today. I'm giving you permission to unlock your true potential and step into all that you were made for.

[00:00:47] What's up guys. Welcome to today's episode of the men made for more podcast. I am joined with my beautiful wife, Dr. Lindsay Paczkowski . She's here with us [00:01:00] today and we're going to have some, some fun conversation around core values. And before we dive into the conversation, a couple of quick updates on what's going on man-made for more.

[00:01:10] Uh, so just launched. Purpose-driven business course. And you guys can see all the info for that in the bio. But if you guys are looking to get into what we call the knowledge based business of using your experience, using your expertise, just your passions to get into business for yourself to identify, okay, what is my purpose?

[00:01:28] What are my passions and what can I be doing to actually make money from it? Put together a course for you guys to help you get started with that. So start, yeah. Grow and scale that business to something that, uh, is one that you can make money off of, because that's extremely important. But also one that you just enjoy doing, and maybe you have a, a nine to five right now and you want to start up that side hustle, or maybe you're actually in it and you want to be able to grow and scale that.

[00:01:51] So check out all the details for that in the. In the bio and then other exciting update is we do have a virtual business summit coming to you guys [00:02:00] later on in July. Hang tight for the details on that, uh, should have that by next week, finalizing some dates and some of the speakers that are going to be on there, but it's going to be an awesome experience for.

[00:02:10] Either any of your current business owners looking to grow your business, get around some like-minded men and any of you aspiring business owners as well. If it's something that say, Hey, maybe someday, I want to want to get into this whole business thing. That's going to be a place to be so excited to get some more details your way.

[00:02:25] So, uh, without further ado, Lindsay, thanks so much for coming on today. Your second appearance on the podcast. Yes. 

[00:02:32] Lindsey: [00:02:32] Thanks for having me. It's fun being on the other end of, of hearing and being a part of the podcast and I'm like, 

[00:02:40] Dave: [00:02:40] Chat today. Yeah. And Lindsay is the behind the scenes expert of the podcast as well.

[00:02:44] She listens to all the episodes, cleans them up, get some, uh, all ready to go, come Thursday. So big, big, thanks to you on that for, for making the show run. But, uh, I wanted to have you on here today. And as we discussed before we hit record here, uh, we've recently been on [00:03:00] a journey of identifying core values, both in our personal lives and in our business.

[00:03:06] And something we've done before. A lot of people hear core values and they're like, okay, cool. A lot of people have them up on their wall. But when we say we've been going through this of actually really diving into it, identifying and actually living by these things personally and running our business based on these core values.

[00:03:24] And it's so much more than just throwing some words together because it looks cool and someone said, said to do it. And that's what we want to talk about with you guys here today is kind of. Process for going about that and why we feel that's so important. So, Lindsay, from your perspective, what would you say, uh, in terms of, you know, the biggest maybe change you've noticed in, in how we make decisions since, since implementing these living by them more and why you feel they're important and why we've kind of dove into this, this journey that we've, we've been on.

[00:03:52] Good 

[00:03:52] Lindsey: [00:03:52] question. So. I think it was like three years ago or so that I just remember it. And I, we went, we [00:04:00] went to the beach and we were like, okay, we're going to figure out our core values for our family. And we had this vision of kind of what we would want that to look like. And we wrote out what, what those would be.

[00:04:10] And I think at the time, a lot of the stuff that we wrote down was stuff that we felt like we should write down or things that we were like, that sounds good. And. Lo and behold, a few weeks later, early, remember which ones that we had even written down, let alone where that sheet of paper went. So, uh, when Dave says we've been on this journey, we've been kind of doing this since we've been married, but, um, Recently, our big thing right now is with baby on the way.

[00:04:39] I'm really trying to hone in what our core values are for us as a family. Um, and also as a business, as we're growing a team as well, uh, because we want to make sure that our culture as a family, our culture as a business is what we truly are and not [00:05:00] just. You know, walking into a business and you see, you know, their core values up on the wall and then your interaction and your experience there doesn't match.

[00:05:09] Um, I think we've all been in situations where you see something up on the wall about respect, and then you have an experience where you're like, I don't feel like I was respected when I was at that, at that business. We really are all about being authentic and the relationships that we have with people, whether that's clients or family or friends or whoever we're interacting with, we want them to.

[00:05:34] No, who we are by how we are treating them, how we are acting, how we respond, how just, how we do life. So for us, um, we worked with some coaches, our coaches have been helpful in guiding us in that, but for identifying our values and how they really actually speak to us. Um, do you want me to go. Values our core values now, or wait, uh, 

[00:05:58] Dave: [00:05:58] we'll see if we're [00:06:00] gonna, if we're gonna actually reveal that there might be an extra step in there to let people do theirs first, before I, before doing it.

[00:06:05] But I like what you say about defining, you know, being, uh, uh, you know, defining piece of, of who we are as, as a business and personally, and we are, our aim is to have people see the values after the fact and be like, Oh, a spot like that is spot on every single one of those was exhibited through our actions.

[00:06:26] And this is maybe in the past, like you were saying, we did this as, Hey, let's write something out that we can kind of, you know, post. And if people ask like, yes, these are our values. And then maybe we'll kind of, maybe we'll kind of revisit them once a year when we do, when we do one of our yearly meetings or something.

[00:06:43] So we kind of flip that, that process of instead of writing values to be displayed or to. I try and, um, uh, you know, try and be like, Hey, these, these are things that we want people to see. We more had an internal, you know, internal reflection of, of [00:07:00] what that is. And maybe you can talk without revealing, uh, all the values talk about, uh, I kind of what the process was, you know, for us and how we came to some of those things personally and business, whatever one you want to.

[00:07:14] Yeah. 

[00:07:14] Lindsey: [00:07:14] So personally for us, we wanted to, um, and this was where we were guided by our coaches a little bit more, but we wanted to have something that whatever that core value was and then have virtues that match that or how we define that, because it's one thing to say, you have respect, or one of ours is courage.

[00:07:37] Amen. And we all define those things a little bit different. We have a general idea of what that might be. We want to have that specific word, meaning a certain thing or how we're responding. So that was something that we had to work on a little bit because making sure that we were on the same page of what that actually meant versus maybe what the word [00:08:00] definition is, but how we were going to portray that and how we would respond.

[00:08:04] And then we also, for our family core values have a biblical, like a Bible verse that goes with it as well. Um, so we have scripture to back. Truth, um, in our, in our family and in how we're raising our family and all of that. Um, so that's specific for our family core values and then for our business, similar idea.

[00:08:25] Um, a lot of it is the words as well, but how those words, um, look in action. There's again, many words that you can say that can identify a business, but how do you actually show up and what stuff is actually identifying? Our PT business, um, because we want to make sure that people understand that's what we're about.

[00:08:46] That's what we stand for. That's what they're going to get when they come here and that they can feel welcome, um, knowing that or experiencing that for our core values. So that was something too that we, we had, again, some words that were like, well, this sounds right. Or [00:09:00] it sounds like something, it should be B and then we're looking at it.

[00:09:03] And we're like, that doesn't really sound like us though. Um, so we had to kind of re. Like break it down and build it back up on what we actually were looking for, because it's one thing for something that sounds nice. But then for it to actually be who we are and identify that with something that was important to us.

[00:09:22] Dave: [00:09:22] yeah. I think elaborating on that, that virtue piece was a big piece we were missing. We did in the past. So we have, we have the word like, like Lindsay. Yeah. Courage is, is the word, but that can mean different things to different people when you bring employees on, when we bring a kid into this world, which yeah, I know, I know we, I I've been quite on social media, so I'm guessing some people listening probably don't even, uh, don't even realize we have first baby due in September.

[00:09:49] So that's a fun little side note yesterday. We're preparing for it, but that, you know, sparked the need to have these things, you know, down more because we want to. We want to [00:10:00] operate from what, uh, what our coaches refer to as core values, language and things that instead of saying, oh no, that's that's right.

[00:10:07] Or that's that's wrong. It's like, Hey, we don't do that because our values are this, this and this. But the virtue becomes really important because that puts, um, puts a little more behind the word, because like you said, we can interpret different things. There's words out there, like respect. It's like, okay, that can mean.

[00:10:24] A ton of different things to different people and you look up type in respect to, uh, the online dictionary and you'll probably get like 32. Different things to go along with it. So, uh, in the case of courage, it's faith over fear. And for us, that's, that's, that's the virtue that goes along with, with the word of, for us, courage is displayed, is having faith over fear and that's, uh, then can guide our decisions of when we're looking at something it's like, Hey, are we saying no to this opportunity?

[00:10:51] Because we're operating out of fear, not out of the faith that it'll work out, or are we saying yes, this opportunity for the same thing, are we, are we saying yes to this thing? Is a [00:11:00] safety net for us that we're operating out of fear and not, not living, living out our faith. And that's something we want to be able to pass along to our kids and, and see, and be able to have those tangible things of, of, we can talk through those, those values and those virtues and give some more, more behind why we're living out, living out the way, the way that we are.

[00:11:22] Lindsey: [00:11:22] Definitely. I think also growing up, we both. Grew up in stable families and loving families and things like that. But I don't think, um, virtues were, or like values were necessarily defined. Um, it was more like in hindsight and you were raised well and you were, you know, like we're kind to people and things like that, but the way that the like virtue or core value decision-making and, um, value.

[00:11:53] Talk and things like that wasn't necessarily as a parent, um, which is something that we're really [00:12:00] working towards to be aware of our language when we're talking to each other now. Um, but also when we're raising our child, um, in a few months, uh, so that's something that. Just changing that verbiage around certain situations and how we can parent well, um, with a core value emphasis and a lens 

[00:12:20] Dave: [00:12:20] of that.

[00:12:22] Yeah, that's really good. And, and like I said, we grew up in stable families and had good. Value so to speak. I think we would both say that we were raised with good values, but it's, it's still a, it's still a vague thing. This is, this is giving, giving the language behind why we're doing what we're doing.

[00:12:38] And both from the Midwest. It's like, oh, those good Midwest values. And it's like, sure, but our Midwest values, like, is there somewhere that I'm not seeing some book I need to read? It says like these are the Midwest values and I kind of joke about it, but you know, in all seriousness, it's, it's just being able to have that, that language behind.

[00:12:54] This is why we operate the way we do this is what, why we, why we're living our life looks, looks a [00:13:00] certain way. And, uh, I think that's super important for family, but also when we look at at business and things that, uh, we're looking to bring on employees right now into our PT business, we're looking for a PT.

[00:13:11] We need office staff to bring on, and we're using this to. To kind of guide our hiring process of it's on it's on the application, it's on the landing page. People, people go to when they, when they go to apply and it's, it's clearly written there and not just to have it on, on display, but also to, uh, to use that as something.

[00:13:31] More important than the skill sets themselves. We can train people on how to be great PTs in our PT business. We can train coach them and made for more of that. Come on. How to, how to be good coaches and how to guide through that process. But you can't, you can't always train the values. That's something we're inherently looking for in, in someone else and something that, uh, we're, we're now using as kind of a.

[00:13:54] A guidepost, a guidepost to that. And maybe you can speak a little to, you know, as we talk about [00:14:00] bringing on employees or even working with, with our clients, you being our lead PT in our, in our PT business right now, uh, like how that, how that kind of guides, guides, treatment guides, hiring decisions, guides, uh, you know, just the way we're communicating in handling day-to-day business stuff.

[00:14:17] Yeah. So. 

[00:14:20] Lindsey: [00:14:20] Our conversations with our clients and the people coming in. There's a certain culture that we have, which most companies and businesses have a certain culture. Uh, but that's something that we want to make sure that we're able to. Replicate or continue on as we grow our brand. And as we grow our team, because we know that long-term inside out is about the brand of inside out.

[00:14:47] It's not about Dave and Lindsay, and we want to bring people on our team that align with those core values. Um, core values are. Yes, you can talk to someone [00:15:00] about, and people can change to value those things, but that's much harder to do than like what Dave was saying of training someone. It's one thing to teach someone a certain, you know, treat me style or a certain assessment technique or anything like that.

[00:15:16] When it comes down to actually what their core value is, that's pretty ingrained into a lot of people. And so when we're working with, with patients and clients and we're talking to them and interacting with them, if someone's not necessarily able to show a certain. Value or two relate to someone or to kind of fulfill that culture that we're looking for.

[00:15:41] That's something to us that they could be a fantastic PT, but if they can't connect with our clients, the way that we have built our brand, that to us is a red flag. Being able to make decisions based off of that. If we're working with doing interviews or just working with clients and we're seeing something [00:16:00] like that, that doesn't match up, um, that's going to be something that we're going to be using to guide our decisions, which that has been something for business and personal that we've been.

[00:16:09] Being more aware of in our decision-making as well of using the core values as a guide to make our decisions, rather than after the fact saying, does this fit into the box that we're trying to do? Um, more so of if this situation or this opportunity comes up, does this align with these core values of ours?

[00:16:31] Um, cause that really is something that we haven't really done and that we've this past. Couple of months, we've had some opportunities come up. That of course sound great. And then as you start to get into, some of those opportunities are realized, huh? Our value was there, this, and right now that's not happening.

[00:16:53] And, and there's seasons of times where you may have to compromise on something, but for how long [00:17:00] are you willing to compromise that? And what. What else, if you're compromising on something like, yeah. What, what is that doing for other areas of your core values or other aspects of your life and relationships too?

[00:17:13] So the core values has been a big shift in how we're making decisions personally and within the 

[00:17:19] Dave: [00:17:19] business. Yeah. I think a few things to touch on one being. Yes, the values are fairly ingrained in. People can change, but if we, you know, an example of RPT business, we are, our services are not cheap. We're a cash pay PT clinic.

[00:17:35] Uh, Are coming in, they're invested in their health. They've likely tried other things. They've usually tried other PTs. They're coming to see us, uh, after, you know, after trying these other things and looking for more proactive approach. And one of our core values within our PT businesses is health. And the virtual line with that is health is the best investment that, that you can make.

[00:17:55] And that's something that does every person on our team needs. [00:18:00] Need to have a six pack and do CrossFit and, you know, do all these things like never, never eat a car, but like, no, not at all. Like we're, we're not, uh, you know that that's now that's not what we're, that's not exactly what we're saying, but we're saying that if you're asking other people to come in and pay out of pocket for this and be an example for people, you need to at least be making that investment in your health, and that's going to look different for some people that could, you know, we're big on mental health, as much as physical health too, that could be.

[00:18:29] Daily walks or, you know, reading practice or like activities, like choosing foods that are going to nourish you and not going out every weekend. And, you know, having, having a ton of drinks and going off the rails. So we don't have to be perfect, but there are these, these things that we're going to go to look for.

[00:18:44] If we're expecting that out of others, that we, uh, you know, we need to be able to do the same. Ah, same for ourselves. So that's, that's a big piece of it. And this, the next piece that you touched on, I wanted to circle back on too. Is that the decision making part of it? That's that's probably the biggest thing we've [00:19:00] noticed is we've had some decisions come up that we've had to turn down.

[00:19:06] Potentially good moneymaking opportunities because it wasn't fully in line with, with who we were as, as people. It didn't, it didn't feel right within, within our business that bringing on a certain outside, you know, marketing sources and things that, that just, uh, you know, change the way that our brand was a little bit and things services that worked good.

[00:19:26] Some automation services, but the. The communication wasn't giving off the message we want. And if we, if we say we're holding ourselves to this standard of excellence that we are, and we're using an automation service, that's messing up people's appointments and doing those things, even if it's getting more people in the door and getting more people to see us, that's not something that we're gonna stand for.

[00:19:46] Um, and we had to make, you know, make tough decisions based on that. Not anything against the service, the service did what it said. It says it's going to do, but not in line with that, with how we want to be living necessarily with that. Yeah, 

[00:19:59] Lindsey: [00:19:59] that was, [00:20:00] that was a tough thing. Cause I think Dave and I have been yes, people for, for a majority of our lives.

[00:20:07] And especially when it comes to business with opportunities, there's a lot of stuff that can come your way, where you want to say yes to a lot of things. And then you realize here you have less time to commit to everything or what, however, the quality and different things, and you have some tough decisions to make, but bringing it back to core values, it helps at least identify.

[00:20:29] Why you're making that decision rather than, well, I just felt good about this or this felt right, or something like that. It gives you a little bit more substance behind it. Um, instead of flying by the seat of your pants to, or making a rash decision too soon or holding onto something too long as well.

[00:20:50] Dave: [00:20:50] Yeah. And the other, other thing I wanted to touch on too, from what you're saying too, wanting to clear up that. Yes, these, these can be ingrained, but there are, [00:21:00] you know, there, there is work that can be, can be had towards these values. And maybe if you can touch on how we set up our values to these, weren't all, we kind of had a stagger within there.

[00:21:11] They weren't all ones that were like, yes, we're hitting a home, run on all of these. Can you talk maybe a little bit more about that, of values that we already had and kind of what maybe I would call what we call our stretch values? 

[00:21:23] Lindsey: [00:21:23] Yeah. So a lot of the value. Like Dave was saying that there's, there was some that were like, yeah, I feel like we're, that's who we are and that's who we identify as, or things like that.

[00:21:35] But there are ones that, you know, we have excellence as one of our, um, family core values, which we are striving to have excellence in all that we do. Yeah. We're not going to be perfect. We get that. And the excellent side of things is how can you. Be excellent in whatever we're doing. So, you know, trying your best or [00:22:00] showing up for the people that you need to, um, and being excellent in that.

[00:22:03] So that's something that it's, again, we're not striving for perfection on any of the ones, but they're stretching us to grow as individuals grow as a family and to be able to see that growth and to have something to work towards. Which I think is something that we always are, are trying to do to challenge ourselves.

[00:22:24] But it's something that you can also take time and reflect on, of in X situation. Was I, you know, going through all your core values, was I excellent? Well, no, I was late and I, you know, looked sloppy and I, you know, or whatever you forgot something or whatever that might be. But it allows you to see in situations how you can show up to be in excellence, um, in whatever work that you're doing or how you love your family members or how you're showing up for people.

[00:22:59] So that's [00:23:00] kind of are some of the ones that are stretch ones because you don't want to pick stuff. That's just what you do really well. Cause that's boring and that's not even like, it might be something that's important to you, but if you're not going anywhere else or moving forward, It's a value of yours, but that might be a value of like stagnation and not moving forward.

[00:23:21] Right. I don't know if you really want to have that. So just being mindful of, if you're thinking about making some core values, whether it's for your business or personally, just being aware of, is it something that it's, because it's become a habit or habitual for you or. Like comfortable or if it's something that's going to stretch you and make you a better human help, you show up for those around you better.

[00:23:46] Um, in general. 

[00:23:47] Dave: [00:23:47] Yeah. It's such a good point too. Yeah. Cause that's, I think I totally agree with you is spot on with, we need those things to stretch us to, to grow us. If we're only hitting the things we're home run at doing, [00:24:00] you know, hitting home runs in, then it's like, okay, what's the where's, where's the growth gonna gonna come from?

[00:24:05] And that's, you know, We want to operate in our strengths. And that's why picking a few of those that are, you don't want to pick all stretch ones because that can hurt your confidence. And it can, it can be discouraging when you're, when you're like, man, I'm not hitting any of my values. So having those ones that you designed and of those things that you do crush it in those things that you're like, yes, this is just one of those things.

[00:24:23] Yeah. I'm naturally good at it either. I was raised a certain way or for whatever reason, this is something I'm really, really good at. And then those other things though, that are like, Hey, these are things that I want to, I want to be when we look and we talk a lot. Vision talk a lot about looking ahead at our, our vision and our purpose.

[00:24:41] That's something I have multiple videos on in our purpose-driven business course that just launched is getting clear on that personal and that business mission, vision, your purpose. When we look ahead at that thing and it can be daunting and want to say, Hey, what are the values I need to start to implement now, start to work on so that I can sh I can [00:25:00] show up as that person.

[00:25:01] We can show up as a family. We can show up as that business down the road and not be stagnant. Now find ourselves in the same place. Year after year. Unfortunately, a lot of guys I talked to and they come and start working with us in coaching and it's like, Hey, like I I'm, I'm just, I'm not seeing the progress.

[00:25:17] I find myself falling in the same habits, the same things, and it requires a new way of thinking a new way of, of action and something like excellence. In our example, that's, uh, our virtue with that is, is racist standard. And that's something that, uh, Lindsey talked about. Is important for a business, for sure, but something maybe in our personal, like, we have an easier time with that in business than we do in our personal lives of how are we doing our chores?

[00:25:40] How are we clean up around the house? How are we doing the little things? Well, because if we do the little things with excellence, we believe that we're going to have more opportunity to. Do the big things with excellence to be able to, to grow and have that impact, but it starts in the home. It starts in, in the day-to-day and it starts with even, even the small things.

[00:25:58] Lindsey: [00:25:58] I had a question for you, Dave, [00:26:00] for being like leader of the household and family, and kind of head of head of that. Um, as we're going through these core values, how has it for you as a leader? Wise and for our family. Um, how has that been for you with being able to lead in deciding our core values? Cause I know that there was some that we were kind of deciding between and how do you.

[00:26:28] Process that without making it too one sided or making sure that it's not stuff that you're like, well, I do this really well or different things like that. How would you give advice to anyone that's kind of in that situation? 

[00:26:41] Dave: [00:26:41] That's a really good question. Uh, it's my podcast though. So you can, now I asked the questions that no, no kidding.

[00:26:47] Uh, no, it is really good. It is a really good question. And I think the communication such a, such a big piece of that, and for, for us, especially it's a. You know, you, you need to, as [00:27:00] you know, as a leader of your household, you need to, you need to take initiative into that. We had coaching doing that, but it was it, you know, at the end of the day, came down to me being like, Hey, there's some we really want to do.

[00:27:10] Let's like, let's okay, what time we're going to like, okay, we're black and this night we're going to, we're going to do this is how we're going to go about it and, and getting the, getting the ball rolling on the app. But it's something I had done. Personally, I had formed personal core values in the past.

[00:27:23] So I, I had some, like you said, biases towards like, Hey, here's my personal core values. And I realized though, like, I like, I want that to be our family and I want that, but I. Trying to have the communication to leave it open up saying, Hey, like you brainstorm all the values. You think I brainstorm all the values.

[00:27:41] I think let's see where there's similarities. And that's an easy starting point. You can come together on the similarities, but we had some differences too. Of this was some things are really important to you. Something's really important. But that's where I want to say communication comes into it is let's unpack that more.

[00:27:56] Because again, that gets into the virtue that gets into going beyond the word where [00:28:00] you, uh, you might say one value is really important to you and I'm like, oh, that's, that's not us. But how you explain it, you might say, well, I think this value is important because. This means X, this means Y this means Z.

[00:28:13] And it's like, oh, that's the same. That's the same virtue I had for this other word. Let's see what word works better. But we're saying the same thing. We're just maybe speaking a slightly different, different language. And that's where communication becomes so important to really work through those things.

[00:28:27] You can have your, your common ground, at least for the ones that. You can come together on that are the unanimous ones, but then for the other ones you to got to talk through and when it comes to making the decisions, though, when maybe there's, we're not quite seeing eye to eye it's it's again, coming back to our vision, what, you know, things we've talked about of what do we want our life to look like in 10 years where we want our family to look like, what do we want our community to look like our businesses to look like?

[00:28:52] And those things. Become more of a, an unbiased thing of like, Hey, well, to get there, we agree. These, these are [00:29:00] necessary even if maybe we each like these, these other ones better. 

[00:29:04] Lindsey: [00:29:04] Yeah, that's good. I think as a side note, too, um, as David said, he had made his own core values or like, He likes a lot of the, like self-help self-development and that's like totally his thing for me, not as much, I am not as passionate about it.

[00:29:20] So for those of you listening, whether it's you or your spouse, that's like not super into some of that stuff. Don't worry. I still recommend doing something though, because it unites you so much more and especially, uh, in your marriage and raising a family, whether you have kids now or down the road, you want kids, um, or even if you want to ha be puppy parents, you know, it's just like the values that you have.

[00:29:46] It's more uniting and it's really solidifying that you are your own family unit and that whatever things that you value together. Is what you guys are gonna do. Um, so I just [00:30:00] wanted to make that side note because there might be some people listening that are like, eh, that's not for me. Um, which I was kind of in that boat, but I knew it was important.

[00:30:09] And so I was willing to work on that and develop those with you because I knew it was something that we wanted to do for our kids. 

[00:30:17] Dave: [00:30:17] Yeah. I love that. I love that point and whether that's personal life or whether that's. Business. If you're going to do this, you might not be the self-help person or you might be, or you might be less than you're like already, already plotting.

[00:30:28] What, what things you might my want to be putting down, but regardless where you're at with it, go all in with it. Cause that's a, that's the thing we may made a mistake on earlier. If you listen to this and you're like, oh yeah, it does sound really important. Well, I'll kind of force myself to do it, not write something down, never revisit again.

[00:30:43] Like if you're going to do it, spend the time to invest in whatever that needs to look like. If you need to get out of your home, if you need to. You know, have a, have a couple of drinks to spark creativity. If you need to, you know, get in the right mind mindset, the right head space, to be able to do that, do what you need to do to go [00:31:00] all out with these things and then make sure revisiting them this isn't a paper to stash away and check back in a year and say, Hey, did I do that?

[00:31:07] Yes or no. This is something he did pull out and have friend of mine and have those conversations with a spouse, with a child, with an employee, with those things of it's something. We can use as accountability in our, in our staff meetings. As we, as we have meetings of how did you, what value did you exhibit this this week and, and with, uh, with the client or with the customer.

[00:31:28] And those are ways you can start to ingrain it in, just become these, make these things more front of mind so that they become a core of. Of your culture. It become a core of who you are as a, as a person or as a business. So I think that's a, if you're gonna, if you're going to do it, you, you might roll your eyes at this episode and be like, oh, well that sounds like a lot of work.

[00:31:46] I'll maybe come back to it later and that's fine if you want to have the time for it right now, but I encourage you at some point to carve out the time and just go all forward and determine what those, what those values are and then live by [00:32:00] them. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And anything, uh, and we'll, we'll start to, to wrap up here.

[00:32:06] I think we, uh, we said the word core and values a lot in this, in this area. 

[00:32:10] Lindsey: [00:32:10] We're not talking about your, your physical core that we could do that. 

[00:32:14] Dave: [00:32:14] That would be a, another, another good value to have. But, uh, so anything you want to add on, on values before I wrap it up here? No, I think 

[00:32:22] Lindsey: [00:32:22] that's good. I think, yeah.

[00:32:24] Look, look into what things are important to you and. Take a look back at them after you write them out, it doesn't have to be like Dave was saying set in stone the first time that you write them down. Um, write them down, take a look at them the next day, take a look at them a week later and really decide what those things are, but they should be things that they may change years, like five years from now, three years from now, depending on what season you're in.

[00:32:52] But most of them should be pretty consistent over the years. Um, that just kind of depends [00:33:00] at what your life's looking like too. 

[00:33:01] Dave: [00:33:01] Yeah. Yeah. That's a, that's a good point. And uh, if you guys are having trouble with this, make sure to, uh, to reach out a couple things, make sure to reach out and make sure to go check out that, that business course that have the self guided thing.

[00:33:15] And we don't specifically have core values included with that, but we do have a, your purpose. You do have your vision. Do you have a. Full goal setting, exercise of taking that big vision and breaking it back down. So if you're having trouble with the values, it might be a problem that you have to define, like figure out what your purpose is.

[00:33:31] Why were you, why were you put here? What are you going to be doing from a work standpoint, from a personal standpoint? And if you guys need help with that would, uh, highly encourage you to check out the course that lays it all out for you. It's a self guided thing that you can get more, more clarity and, and start to take, take action on it.

[00:33:45] So if you guys are feeling stuck in that point, go ahead and check that out. Uh, but also. I was not purposely hiding our values. I'm not putting them out publicly because I want you to, uh, to do the work on it, but I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna withhold them from you. If you guys do [00:34:00] want to know what ours is.

[00:34:01] Uh, the only caveat is you have to go through this exercise. First, if you guys list out of your core values and send them to me, I'll put my number in the show notes. You guys can text me a list of your values at 7 6 0 4 7 7 4 3. One, you guys can text me there. And if you guys put in the work and send me your values, I can, uh, let you know our, our personal or business values.

[00:34:23] If you guys want some more guidance and to see, uh, see the work we put into that. Not, uh, not directly withholding it from you, but, uh, are requiring a little bit of action of you guys to, uh, to get, to get to know more about what our values are. So, uh, shoot me a text or a message if you guys need any help with this process, check out our purpose-driven business course and.

[00:34:43] Looking forward to seeing what your guys' values are, see how we see how we align and, uh, be able to bounce ideas around as we have them. So, Lindsay, thanks for coming on. I love you. I love having you on our, on our podcast, even though it is the med may form podcast, you are the [00:35:00] token woman that can come on and give.

[00:35:02] Insight and wisdom, and I'm sure we'll be hearing more from you at some point, as we talk all things, marriage and running a business together, running multiple businesses together and all the things that come with that. And as we, uh, have a kid on the way in September, so I appreciate all you guys listening, Lindsay.

[00:35:18] Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me today. Yep. And excited for, uh, for the spring to launch for you guys. So go ahead and take action on this. Send them over to me just to keep you guys accountable and, uh, looking forward to talking real soon.

[00:35:29]Thanks for listening today, guys, unbelieving that even if you apply one thing from today's show, you're taking one step closer to living as the man you were made to be meaningful change doesn't happen overnight. So keep showing up and keep consistent every single day until good things start to happen.

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